Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[VayaVayaVaya]

Pogacar's thread has 26% the # of pages as Remco's...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Pogacar's thread has 26% the # of pages as Remco's...

What? 26%?

I better get back to the Remco topic and post some more!

 

[RedheadDane]

Not asking for cancellarions but losing 24 minutes because he had to clean his shoes after rising through the snow....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396585032240836609

View: https://twitter.com/etaparainha/status/1396585032240836609?s=21

Sorry, but; Best. Typo. Ever! At least I assume you meant riding. Otherwise, I'm getting a rather interesting mental image.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Bjerg on his way to the Tour!! Poga need him.

It looks as if they will take him to the Tour

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Pogacar's thread has 26% the # of pages as Remco's...

Tsss we should so better #spam

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Sorry, but; Best. Typo. Ever! At least I assume you meant riding. Otherwise, I'm getting a rather interesting mental image.

I saw it but left it as it indeed sounds quite funny, glad someone noticed

 

[CyclistAbi]

Legend has it they went ski jumping.

 

[Lequack]

Not a bad view

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Not a bad view

Judging by vegetation Pog is at about 2500 m ASL. This must be one of the lakes in Graian Alps, possibly near Nivolet pass. Too easy for him, he should cycle up that mountain.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Judging by vegetation Pog is at about 2500 m ASL. This must be one of the lakes in Graian Alps, possibly near Nivolet pass. Too easy for him, he should cycle up that mountain.

That's Col du Mont-Cenis with its artificial lake in the background.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

That's Col du Mont-Cenis with its artificial lake in the background.

Spot on.

 

[Mayomaniac]

That's Col du Mont-Cenis with its artificial lake in the background.

I really want to see the Cenis-Iseran combination once in a race, that would be awesome.

 

[Red Rick]

I really want to see the Cenis-Iseran combination once in a race, that would be awesome.

With finish in Tignes or another ski station in that area? Seems good. I guess Tignes is the only option though.

 

[Mayomaniac]

With finish in Tignes or another ski station in that area? Seems good. I guess Tignes is the only option though.

Val d'Isere is also a bigger ski resort, that would be a straight forward downhill finish.

One could descent further down and have Côte de Montvalezan from Saint Foiy all the way up until you hit the Petite Saint-Bernard roadd before a downhill finish in Bourg-Saint-Maurice, if you want to have it as a final mountain stage.

 

[Lequack]

So he's doing Tour of Slovenia June 9-13th, then his own organized criterium in his hometown, after the the nationals RR and ITT, and then onto the TDF. Meanwhile Roglic is having a different strategy of no racing before the Tour.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

I think the more racing is not necessarily bad for Tadej. It seems he really likes competing and of course he will get a lot of support in these slovenian races which will give him a boost for the tour

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think the more racing is not necessarily bad for Tadej. It seems he really likes competing and of course he will get a lot of support in these slovenian races which will give him a boost for the tour

He hasn't raced since late April so a few days of racing in June will be good for him.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Tadej is probably peaking for the most important race of the season - the Tour of Slovenia. He may be a bit flat at the Tour.

 

[bajbar]

Tadej is probably peaking for the most important race of the season - the Tour of Slovenia. He may be a bit flat at the Tour.

True. Tour of Slovenia is a much harder race to win. After all... Pogačar raced Tour de France once - and won it. But he has raced Tour of Slovenia three times, yet never finished on the podium. So he should peak for it if he wants to have any chance!

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Ahah you may be true. I have a feeling that winning the Tour of Slovenia and slovenian champion is more important to him at this point. I mean, he won the Tour de France already so nothing new...

But then again, have we ever seen Tadej flat at races...

 

[bNator]

I think Tadej needs some racing to get fully into his rythm (as opposed to Roglic). The evidence is UAE 2020 and 2021. Ok, he won this year but not in as convincing manner as he could have, had he been in his top form. The we have Tour de l'Ain and Cirterium du Dauphine where he was nowhere near Roglič. The beginning of his Vuelta 2019 campaign was also not very convicing.

Actually, there could be two reasons for that now that I think about it. Either he needs a substatntial warmup before he reaches his top form or it's just attrition from the racing that affects others much more than him. Though if the latter was true, then he woun't be winning so many 1 week stage races because they are too short for others to feel real attrition.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

I think Tadej needs some racing to get fully into his rythm (as opposed to Roglic). The evidence is UAE 2020 and 2021. Ok, he won this year but not in as convincing manner as he could have, had he been in his top form. The we have Tour de l'Ain and Cirterium du Dauphine where he was nowhere near Roglič. The beginning of his Vuelta 2019 campaign was also not very convicing.

Actually, there could be two reasons for that now that I think about it. Either he needs a substatntial warmup before he reaches his top form or it's just attrition from the racing that affects others much more than him. Though if the latter was true, then he woun't be winning so many 1 week stage races because they are too short for others to feel real attrition.

I believe that is what I heard the medical staff of UAE saying, that his lactic acid was much lower so that explains why he seemingly does not get tired at the end of a grand tour.

That and probably a very big dose of talent which also lets him win one week stage races and classics as LBL.

Roglic on the other hand seems to be getting off days during the third week of grand tours. Maybe that is why he does not race prior? But then again, he has indeed shown great form directly after altitude, which would mean he would be strongest the first 10 days. If he can make enough difference in that timespan?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Tadej needs some racing to get fully into his rythm (as opposed to Roglic). The evidence is UAE 2020 and 2021. Ok, he won this year but not in as convincing manner as he could have, had he been in his top form. The we have Tour de l'Ain and Cirterium du Dauphine where he was nowhere near Roglič. The beginning of his Vuelta 2019 campaign was also not very convicing.

Actually, there could be two reasons for that now that I think about it. Either he needs a substatntial warmup before he reaches his top form or it's just attrition from the racing that affects others much more than him. Though if the latter was true, then he woun't be winning so many 1 week stage races because they are too short for others to feel real attrition.

I agree that Tadej needs racing more than Primoz (regarding reaching top form). The latter is razor-sharp straight after training camps.

As for the second part, 3-week endurance is surely Tadej's strong part but his late GT parformances would be outstanding regardless if the oposition was tired or not: he set PDBF record (about 1860 m/h of VAM) despite changing bikes, intense first half of the TT and 20 days of racing in his legs (this performance was comparable to record-breaking Peyresourde ride which was much earlier in the race). His 40-km solo ride at Vuelta'19 was very impressive as well.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'd like to draw your attention to a crazy fact.
According to my research - basically just looking at the ages of the winners of the BYR competition for the last few editions - if Tadej wins this one he will not in fact win the BYR, as it seems riders who turn 23 this year are too old.

 

[Andre]

So he's doing Tour of Slovenia June 9-13th, then his own organized criterium in his hometown, after the the nationals RR and ITT, and then onto the TDF. Meanwhile Roglic is having a different strategy of no racing before the Tour.

That seems strange to me, not to race until Le Tour. No Dauphine, No Suisse?! Who was the last rider to win Le Tour without first racing those 2 races. I mean, I thought it was about preparation. I'm just thinking out loud.