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Tinnekeisabella

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Andre said:
That seems strange to me, not to race until Le Tour. No Dauphine, No Suisse?! Who was the last rider to win Le Tour without first racing those 2 races. I mean, I thought it was about preparation. I'm just thinking out loud.
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Well Tadej will race for the Tour. Not the "normal" preparation races, but Slovenia is not that easy either. And winning there would give him a huge mental boost.

I believe I heard someone from his team saying they did not want the racing prior to the Tour to be too hard as he has had a long season already.

I am not sure about Roglic not doing any race, but he is apparently always top straight out of altitude camp, but then the question for me is: how will he be in the 3rd week when Roglic always seems to have a "bad" day?
 
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Also think that Slovenia is just fine as prep race. Roglic is obviously going for a bigger gamble. But I get where he is coming from. He knows that he struggles in the 3rd week usually and he wants his Tour win. So he is willing to take some risk.
 
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Andre said:
That seems strange to me, not to race until Le Tour. No Dauphine, No Suisse?! Who was the last rider to win Le Tour without first racing those 2 races. I mean, I thought it was about preparation. I'm just thinking out loud.
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If you want someone that just focussed on the Tour you have to go back a lot to Pingeon in 1967 when there was no Dauphine, after that you have only riders that came off the Giro or Vuelta (when still ended mid may) like Janssen in 1968, Merckx in 1969, 1970, 1972 and 1974, Ocana in 1973, Hinault in 1982 and 1985, Roche in 1987, Delgado in 1988, LeMond in 1989, Indurain in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994 and Pantani in 1998, a couple even squezed Dauphine or Suisse in between Giro and Tour.
 
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Andre said:
That seems strange to me, not to race until Le Tour. No Dauphine, No Suisse?! Who was the last rider to win Le Tour without first racing those 2 races. I mean, I thought it was about preparation. I'm just thinking out loud.
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Maybe the extra 2 days not travelling and being able to be home for a bit longer play a part in the decision as well.
 
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Andre said:
That seems strange to me, not to race until Le Tour. No Dauphine, No Suisse?! Who was the last rider to win Le Tour without first racing those 2 races. I mean, I thought it was about preparation. I'm just thinking out loud.
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He still races the Tour of Slovenia and Slovenian Championships so 7 days of racing. OTOH Roglic doesn't race at all between LBL and Tour. Despite this, would you bet against them at the Tour? I wouldn't and IMO Roglic may be stronger than ever this year (depite or maybe thanks to this kind of preparation).
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
He still races the Tour of Slovenia and Slovenian Championships so 7 days of racing. OTOH Roglic doesn't race at all between LBL and Tour. Despite this, would you bet against them at the Tour? I wouldn't and IMO Roglic may be stronger than ever this year (depite or maybe thanks to this kind of preparation).
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I would not bet against them. I would bet on Tadej for the overall.
 
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Andre said:
I would not bet against them. I would bet on Tadej for the overall.
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Yes, I think Tadej has to be the favorite. For Primoz, maybe no racing for 2+ months before the Tour might not be ideal prep, but it probably beats crashing hard in the Dauphine on the penultimate stage and not knowing whether he can even ride the TDF till a week before the race.
 
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tobydawq said:
Yikes, what happened to him today??? Only 45th on the stage! That's his worst result since stage 14 of the Vuelta - in 2019 :oops:
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Pogi took the wrong turn at a roundabout and lost a lot of places. Hopefully at the Tour he won't confuse roads to Tignes with La Plagne.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi took the wrong turn at a roundabout and lost a lot of places. Hopefully at the Tour he won't confuse roads to Tignes with La Plagne.
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Okay, I was of course primarily joking but he did seem to be sprinting a bit near the end there so I thought he might have been impeded in the crash.
 
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Tinnekeisabella said:
Priorities…After all, winning the Tour he has done, beating Paduns time not so yeah, lets do this, no one will notice:)
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Absolutely: the Tour of Slovenia is his priority this year - if he loses it again no compatriot will ever want his autograph. Once he wins it crushing Padun's time and mentality will be his obvious goal (winning the TdF again is not ambitious enough - he did it on his first try).
 
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What is the parcours of the Tour of Slovenia like? What WT stage race would you compare it with in this sense?
 
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I have stated this elsewhere, months ago.

Without injury or accident, pog will win the TDF handily. As easily as anyone in modern times.
 
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Big Doopie said:
I have stated this elsewhere, months ago.

Without injury or accident, pog will win the TDF handily. As easily as anyone in modern times.
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And I'm stating that without injury or accident on either side, Roglič will win. Not handily, but it will be enough... I do like all the hype though - Roglič betting ratio is dropping steadily since Basque and if Pogačar puts in some more performances on the kindergarden field, I'm hoping for 5/1 just before the tour.

His yesterday's performance was of course amazing to watch and it appears it was great in absolute terms (VAM, W/kg, etc...). However, none of the top 10, maybe 20 GC guys are here so it's not really relevant in relative terms.
 
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bNator said:
And I'm stating that without injury or accident on either side, Roglič will win. Not handily, but it will be enough... I do like all the hype though - Roglič betting ratio is dropping steadily since Basque and if Pogačar puts in some more performances on the kindergarden field, I'm hoping for 5/1 just before the tour.

His yesterday's performance was of course amazing to watch and it appears it was great in absolute terms (VAM, W/kg, etc...). However, none of the top 10, maybe 20 GC guys are here so it's not really relevant in relative terms.
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I'll give you 5/1 that you won't get 5/1 on Roglic winning the Tour ;) It's unlikely that you'll find (much) better than 2/1.
 
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It's been a stellar first half of the year for him: 3 stage-race wins + LBL. To me the best cyclist of this period. Tadej says he's almost ready for the Tour.

www.cyclingnews.com

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UAE Team Emirates rider walks away from five-day Tour of Slovenia with the overall win and building form
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Additional 0.1 w/kg should be enough to crush Sky drones, right?
 
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