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Netserk said:
When he attacked on Joux Plane, his whole body was rocking:
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Pogacar always rocks like that when he attacks. Notice in that video when the camera briefly switches to Vingegaard that we clearly see Vingegaard is also rocking.

Contador also had a distinctive style. Means nothing in the context of this Giro or the double attempt. 7W/Kg is only a lot if maintained for much longer than he showed on Joux Plane. That's why before and after he settled down to 6.2.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Pogacar always rocks like that when he attacks. Notice in that video when the camera briefly switches to Vingegaard that we clearly see Vingegaard is also rocking.

Contador also had a distinctive style. Means nothing in the context of this Giro or the double attempt. 7W/Kg is only a lot if maintained for much longer than he showed on Joux Plane. That's why before and after he settled down to 6.2.
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They settled down to 6.2 after because they were riding tactically at low pace, not because of lake of strenght.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Exactly, won only one.
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But Kuss isn't Pogacar. The point is if a specialist climber and domestique like Sepp Kuss can finish high on GC for all three grand tours and win the Vuelta then why isn't it possible for a rider of Pogacar's caliber to be a big threat for the double? Especially if Vingegaard can't recover peak form by July.

But if I was a betting man I'd put some money on Roglic ;)
 
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jono said:
There is no one in the GC field strong enough to push Pogacar, but today and some of the other mountain stages made clear that nobody is particularly interested in doing so. They are racing cagily, and responding to Pogacar as if he is some breakaway rider long out of it on GC (ie: responding not at all). None of the leaders behind Pog seemed to go particularly deep, besides O'Connor who was dropped quite early, but only lost 40 seconds because those in front were not racing full out, but marking each other..
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It's normal. He is 7 minutes ahead im the GC, how can someone beat him with this disadvantage? Until stage 15, they tried to follow (both in Oropa and Livigno) but soon realized they cannot follow him.
 
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Cookster15 said:
But Kuss isn't Pogacar. The point is if a specialist climber and domestique like Sepp Kuss can finish high on GC for all three grand tours and win the Vuelta then why isn't it possible for a rider of Pogacar's caliber to be a big threat for the double? Especially if Vingegaard can't recover peak form by July.

But if I was a betting man I'd put some money on Roglic ;)
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Successful double attempt is something that one must take rather seriously in this day and age, although the chance of happening is rather low, it's the talk about the triple, on how that is a thing now. On how one cyclist will go onto winning the Giro, then the Tour and to finish it off with Vuelta. To get a question from journalist, if you are considering it,and things like that. Until somebody actually secures a double, until then a triple is just some crazy talk.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Successful double attempt is something that one must take rather seriously in this day and age, although the chance of happening is rather low, it's the talk about the triple, on how that is a thing now. On how one cyclist will go onto winning the Giro, then the Tour and to finish it off with Vuelta. To get a question from journalist, if you are considering it,and things like that. Until somebody actually secures a double, until then a triple is just some crazy talk.
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Agree. But I haven’t read anyone seriously suggesting here that the triple is realistic? Excuse if missed that upthread? I think Sepp Kuss was mentioned only to make the point I made above - if Kuss can ride three strong grand tours and win the last one then surely a rider like Pogacar is a genuine chance to win the double?
 
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Cookster15 said:
Agree. But I haven’t read anyone seriously suggesting here that the triple is realistic? Excuse if missed that upthread? I think Sepp Kuss was mentioned only to make the point I made above - if Kuss can ride three strong grand tours and win the last one then surely a rider like Pogacar is a genuine chance to win the double?
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Kuss only won because he was on the same team as Roglic and Vingegaard
 
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Cookster15 said:
Agree. But I haven’t read anyone seriously suggesting here that the triple is realistic? Excuse if missed that upthread? I think Sepp Kuss was mentioned only to make the point I made above - if Kuss can ride three strong grand tours and win the last one then surely a rider like Pogacar is a genuine chance to win the double?
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In previous reply i gave a link to an article:

www.cyclingnews.com

'The big goal is the Tour and the Worlds' – Tadej Pogačar rules out Grand Tour treble attempt

Slovenian underlines dominance once more on Passo Brocon on 'strange day' at Giro d'Italia
www.cyclingnews.com www.cyclingnews.com

On where Pogi confirms he isn't doing the triple attempt, instead a mere double plus Worlds attempt.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Agree. But I haven’t read anyone seriously suggesting here that the triple is realistic? Excuse if missed that upthread? I think Sepp Kuss was mentioned only to make the point I made above - if Kuss can ride three strong grand tours and win the last one then surely a rider like Pogacar is a genuine chance to win the double?
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I don't think Kuss' experience last year is any way equivalent to Tadej's current situation. Kuss rode in support on terrain most favorable to him for two of those GTs. The goal was to have impact for your GC leader, then back off to fight another day. His Vuelta win was a piece of well-deserved reward for his prior efforts and should be considered in that light.
Pogacar isn't expecting any gifts in pursuit of the double and he hasn't won the first leg, yet. It's likely he will win the Giro and in fine preparatory shape for the Tour battle. There he will be facing at least one of Jonas' former teammates and a young, recovering Belgian with much he'd want to accomplish. If JV cobbles together a threat that will not be less competition, either.
 
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I mean maybe in some season, due to some special circumstance involved, somebody actually pulls a GT triple. The question is on how would that be perceived. As the greatest achievement of all time or as a devaluation of GT racing. Hopefully we won't go past the double anytime soon and hopefully a double won't become some sort of norm of a successful season anytime soon.
 
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jono said:
I think that was the case when Pogacar first rode away but that group soon settled in and rode their own race, and none seemed particularly close the limit in the last 2km.

I also don't equate affect with effort.
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Well I don’t agree they rode cagily in terms they let him go while settling their own disputes doing their own tempo. Based on their facial expressions, there was not a lot of tactics going on - just full gas racing.

I do agree of course they watch each other much more than they watch Pog, but I wouldn’t exactly say they were cagy. They were cagy on stage 15 IMO.
 
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He just looked bored today as if he genuinely was so easy he was in danger of detraining and he merely rolled off the front without any hint of an attack and was constantly looking round as if to say c’mon guys keep up this is a Sunday stroll pace.
 
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Oldermanish said:
It's likely he will win the Giro and in fine preparatory shape for the Tour battle. There he will be facing at least one of Jonas' former teammates and a young, recovering Belgian with much he'd want to accomplish. If JV cobbles together a threat that will not be less competition, either.
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Yes Remco must think he has a chance to win the TdF now. But so too Roglic. As for “JV cobbles together a threat” please do not repeat the nightmare of Vingo’s rise from obscurity in 2021.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Yes Remco must think he has a chance to win the TdF now. But so too Roglic. As for “JV cobbles together a threat” please do not repeat the nightmare of Vingo’s rise from obscurity in 2021.
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Sorry to conjure up old dreams for you.
Remco must know he has a chance to get strong enough to contest the Vuelta after winning a stage and maybe a Tour TT. He's seasoned now and has to plan accordingly.
Unless key guys go off the rails; then it's a free for all. He still has to have a team to get him on a step at the Champs. Where's that coming from?
 
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Lequack said:
You can't underestimate how much heat effects different riders, it can be a huge difference racing in 20C cloudy weather, or 40C scorching heat.
This Giro weather is perfect for cycling, apart from the snow and rain.

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Definitely lower temperatures are better for long, physical efforts due to reducing body overheat and dehydration. In case of marathons, according to some studies, temperatures in range of 7-15°C are optimal. In case of cycling, due to wind chill, this range can be somewhat higher but obviously temperatures in range 25-30°C (or higher) are way beyond optimal. I can relate to there numbers: when doing a long and intense uphill trek in the mountains temperatures of 10°C or so are very good for such efforts (feeling comfortable in t-shirt if there's no strong wind), 20°C is perceived by me as way too hot and sweaty. This sentiment is shared by running persons I know.
 
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Cookster15 said:
But Kuss isn't Pogacar. The point is if a specialist climber and domestique like Sepp Kuss can finish high on GC for all three grand tours and win the Vuelta then why isn't it possible for a rider of Pogacar's caliber to be a big threat for the double? Especially if Vingegaard can't recover peak form by July.

But if I was a betting man I'd put some money on Roglic ;)
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Massive difference between finishing high and winning.
 
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