Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[danielovichdk2]

I think visma are now back to the drawing board like in 2022 they need another vingegaard(co leader) in the team to win the tour. Yesterdays gap with 1:08 in 5km is too much to close in the coming years especially considering pog is doing this to them only working for one year with sola🥺 in 2 to 3 years he will just be a machine.

I think you should go back to your own drawing board and take another look. These fast judgemental posts are like apocalyptic conspiracies which holds no evidence except hand waving and pointy hat theories.

Pog had a bad hand last year. Jonas is affected this year, alongside his team which is also in poor shape (not Jorgensen) but with both teams at their best, 1.08 would not happen.

 

[James M]

I think you should go back to your own drawing board and take another look. These fast judgemental posts are like apocalyptic conspiracies which holds no evidence except hand waving and pointy hat theories.

Pog had a bad hand last year. Jonas is affected this year, alongside his team which is also in poor shape (not Jorgensen) but with both teams at their best, 1.08 would not happen.

Dont wanne say something controversial but Jonas is riding better than he ever have been. That part is just facts just in case its blurry.

If you dont take my word for it listen to what Jonas and visma says themself.

 

[SHAD0W93]

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[James M]

Personally never hidden I think its never been close when he is not injured, said that every stage before this happened and I'm from the young generation but that's just my two cents on it.

I simply never seen anything which suggest otherwise when jumbo themselves says he beat himself in 2022 and 2023 fracture to me that is all so I was hardly surprised.

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[OJRvE]

I know it’s bit subjective but atleast you can argue that this Tour has 5 real mountain stages. We have had 3 already and Pog won them all, two are left. I think winning them all would be a feat and the question is if it’s ever been done before.

 

[Jack_89]

Dont think anyone is suggesting Vuelta this year. I think thats overdoing it while he properly could win it it can hamper him the upcoming seasons. WC is way more attractive for me and I guess thats the plan and always has been aswell.

Btw please James stop talking about infamous the Giro fatigue. The last 2 days have dispelled any doubts 🫣😂

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Craziest climbing performance we have ever seen in this sport. Pogi (and Vinge) have taken the sport into a new era of performance.

 

[scribers]

Dont wanne say something controversial but Jonas is riding better than he ever have been. That part is just facts just in case its blurry.

If you dont take my word for it listen to what Jonas and visma says themself.

I don’t know if it’s controversial. Maybe. I saw a blurb someone from Ineos said they thought Vingo’s injury wasn’t nearly as serious as they made people to believe it was. And came into the tour looking to shock pogi with that element of surprise. I thought something was up after early tour form and Broe (on vismas payroll) suddenly picked Vingo to win the tour after stage 4.

Not saying Vingo was 100%. But we’ve clearly seen his post crash max. Next year we shall see his max max, and I hope it’s because he still cannot surmount pogis form.

 

[scribers]

Just wild stat. Dude is a animal. He should just do the giro-tour next year aswell. I know he properly wont saw he dont wanne get things boring by doing the same maybe Tour + vuelta?
Just hope he sticks to Strade and Liege aswell next year.

See @mou for 2025 forecast to include strade, Flanders, LBL, giro, tour, wc, Lombardia. Ciciban primavera is the only problem with that schedule.

It depends on how pog feels late summer, but if he keeps doing a season like this one, I would not be surprised to see him include the vuelta in 2025

 

[Offline]

I hope to see him doing Vuelta in near future. Less sprinter's stages, lots of hilly and medium mountain punchy stages and also some real climbing on the way.

Next year is my bet

Belgium classics / Tour / Vuelta

 

[Valv.Piti]

Something like Strade, T-A, E-3, Flanders, Amstel, Fleche, LBL, Tour, WC, Emilia, Lombardia would be my preferred schedule for him. I dont care much for MSR, fake race, and I don't think adding another Giro means that much. Maybe he will go heavier on the stage races instead of the classics though - whether that being one weeks, Giro or Vuelta I dno, but I my bias towards races like E3 and Flanders make we really wanna watch him there again. Could skip the Ardennes apart from Liege for all I care, but I want to watch him go against MVDP and WVA in Flanders and Remco in Liege.

 

[James M]

I think visma are now back to the drawing board like in 2022 they need another vingegaard(co leader) in the team to win the tour. Yesterdays gap with 1:08 in 5km is too much to close in the coming years especially considering pog is doing this to them only working for one year with sola🥺 in 2 to 3 years he will just be a machine.

Add in the Giro aswell its not out of the question he can be stronger without that by any mean on the contrary but its also logical Jonas can be a little better with a better prep. (depends on who you believe how much they bluffed or not) but its logical to think with better prep he can be a little better for me at least, they said 1-2% maybe.

Yeah but tbh I think that's always been the case when he wasn't hurt. Its just hard to see that happen and what they can do at the end of the day, he crush Wva in Flandern then the best climbing performance of all time by a huge margin btw,,, like it speak of itself. What can you really do to someone like that at the end of the day..Just the best weve ever seen by a huge margin.

1 year in with the coach like you say, 25 years old will only grow stronger. Just real talk.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next year is my bet

Belgium classics / Tour / Vuelta

This. Try Ardennes treble and win Tour/Vuelta. For some reason I believe Jonas will do Giro-Tour next year.

 

[James M]

See @mou for 2025 forecast to include strade, Flanders, LBL, giro, tour, wc, Lombardia. Ciciban primavera is the only problem with that schedule.

It depends on how pog feels late summer, but if he keeps doing a season like this one, I would not be surprised to see him include the vuelta in 2025

I wouldnt be surprised to see the Vuelta next year on his schedule either. Read he liked to mix it up to keep it fun. Lets see would be nice to see him ride the Vuelta not to many years away

 

[scribers]

The guy is winning almost every races he enters. And when he doesn't, he still attacks.
He's winning on almost all terrains.
He trained for long climbs, this may prevent him from winning san Remo but maybe he'll win by sprinting instead of trying to drop them on the Poggio.

They are toying with a team tactic where pogi gets away on the cipressa and stays away. Otherwise it’s just a sprint or luck finish considering strength of horses on the poggio

 

[scribers]

This. Try Ardennes treble and win Tour/Vuelta. For some reason I believe Jonas will do Giro-Tour next year.

He’ll keep his powder dry for the monuments. I bet he doesn’t try Amstel gold or flèche again until maybe late career

 

[Miha81]

They are toying with a team tactic where pogi gets away on the cipressa and stays away. Otherwise it’s just a sprint or luck finish considering strength of horses on the poggio

He is closer and closer. 5th in 2022, 4th in 2023 and 3rd this year. I think Cipressa is to short to make enough gap to hold until the line. But what do I know

 

[scribers]

Except for the rudeness...

I think mou's claims were basically like transfer rumours; no reason to believe it until actual evidence.

You think (now) or thought (then)?

 

[scribers]

He is closer and closer. 5th in 2022, 4th in 2023 and 3rd this year. I think Cipressa is to short to make enough gap to hold until the line. But what do I know

Once pog is away he stays away. Particularly if his team that delivered him to a gap on the cipreessa gets in the middle of organized chase.

That’s not the problem. The problem is the bottleneck right before the cipressa. Look for stronger uae rolleur formation into that bottleneck. They started a little too early last spring resulting in even pogi being horribly out of position into the cipressa

 

[Peyroteo94]

MSR should bring back La Manie to mix things a little bit. We would have an insane race in the last 100 km!

 

[Jan the Man]

Yes La Maine would have an impact in the way MSR is raced.

Practically i think a traditional classic spring next year beckons with either dauphine/suisse before the tour as he has stated he wants to win all 7 big one week stage races (he has 3).

Maybe vuelta after tour otherwise traditional WC the italian fall classics

 

[RedheadDane]

You think (now) or thought (then)?

I've realised now that it was always the best way to look at it.
And also realised that like with the rumours, it's best just to ignore it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes La Maine would have an impact in the way MSR is raced.

Practically i think a traditional classic spring next year beckons with either dauphine/suisse before the tour as he has stated he wants to win all 7 big one week stage races (he has 3).

Maybe vuelta after tour otherwise traditional WC the italian fall classics

With La Manie, Pogi would be the hot favourite! In current route, he doesn't have a chance unless MVP is out of the race.

 

[OJRvE]

I hope they wont add a climb just to faciliate a Pog victory. I know they did to make Nibali win but the way he won 2018 was much more rewarding and it will be similar for Pog.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I've realised now that it was always the best way to look at it.
And also realised that like with the rumours, it's best just to ignore it.

Do you think Pogačar will win the Tour, or will it remain a rumour until Sunday?