Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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I hope to see him doing Vuelta in near future. Less sprinter's stages, lots of hilly and medium mountain punchy stages and also some real climbing on the way.

Next year is my bet

Belgium classics / Tour / Vuelta

 

[Valv.Piti]

Something like Strade, T-A, E-3, Flanders, Amstel, Fleche, LBL, Tour, WC, Emilia, Lombardia would be my preferred schedule for him. I dont care much for MSR, fake race, and I don't think adding another Giro means that much. Maybe he will go heavier on the stage races instead of the classics though - whether that being one weeks, Giro or Vuelta I dno, but I my bias towards races like E3 and Flanders make we really wanna watch him there again. Could skip the Ardennes apart from Liege for all I care, but I want to watch him go against MVDP and WVA in Flanders and Remco in Liege.

 

[James M]

I think visma are now back to the drawing board like in 2022 they need another vingegaard(co leader) in the team to win the tour. Yesterdays gap with 1:08 in 5km is too much to close in the coming years especially considering pog is doing this to them only working for one year with sola🥺 in 2 to 3 years he will just be a machine.

Add in the Giro aswell its not out of the question he can be stronger without that by any mean on the contrary but its also logical Jonas can be a little better with a better prep. (depends on who you believe how much they bluffed or not) but its logical to think with better prep he can be a little better for me at least, they said 1-2% maybe.

Yeah but tbh I think that's always been the case when he wasn't hurt. Its just hard to see that happen and what they can do at the end of the day, he crush Wva in Flandern then the best climbing performance of all time by a huge margin btw,,, like it speak of itself. What can you really do to someone like that at the end of the day..Just the best weve ever seen by a huge margin.

1 year in with the coach like you say, 25 years old will only grow stronger. Just real talk.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next year is my bet

Belgium classics / Tour / Vuelta

This. Try Ardennes treble and win Tour/Vuelta. For some reason I believe Jonas will do Giro-Tour next year.

 

[James M]

See @mou for 2025 forecast to include strade, Flanders, LBL, giro, tour, wc, Lombardia. Ciciban primavera is the only problem with that schedule.

It depends on how pog feels late summer, but if he keeps doing a season like this one, I would not be surprised to see him include the vuelta in 2025

I wouldnt be surprised to see the Vuelta next year on his schedule either. Read he liked to mix it up to keep it fun. Lets see would be nice to see him ride the Vuelta not to many years away

 

[scribers]

The guy is winning almost every races he enters. And when he doesn't, he still attacks.
He's winning on almost all terrains.
He trained for long climbs, this may prevent him from winning san Remo but maybe he'll win by sprinting instead of trying to drop them on the Poggio.

They are toying with a team tactic where pogi gets away on the cipressa and stays away. Otherwise it’s just a sprint or luck finish considering strength of horses on the poggio

 

[scribers]

This. Try Ardennes treble and win Tour/Vuelta. For some reason I believe Jonas will do Giro-Tour next year.

He’ll keep his powder dry for the monuments. I bet he doesn’t try Amstel gold or flèche again until maybe late career

 

[Miha81]

They are toying with a team tactic where pogi gets away on the cipressa and stays away. Otherwise it’s just a sprint or luck finish considering strength of horses on the poggio

He is closer and closer. 5th in 2022, 4th in 2023 and 3rd this year. I think Cipressa is to short to make enough gap to hold until the line. But what do I know

 

[scribers]

Except for the rudeness...

I think mou's claims were basically like transfer rumours; no reason to believe it until actual evidence.

You think (now) or thought (then)?

 

[scribers]

He is closer and closer. 5th in 2022, 4th in 2023 and 3rd this year. I think Cipressa is to short to make enough gap to hold until the line. But what do I know

Once pog is away he stays away. Particularly if his team that delivered him to a gap on the cipreessa gets in the middle of organized chase.

That’s not the problem. The problem is the bottleneck right before the cipressa. Look for stronger uae rolleur formation into that bottleneck. They started a little too early last spring resulting in even pogi being horribly out of position into the cipressa

 

[Peyroteo94]

MSR should bring back La Manie to mix things a little bit. We would have an insane race in the last 100 km!

 

[Jan the Man]

Yes La Maine would have an impact in the way MSR is raced.

Practically i think a traditional classic spring next year beckons with either dauphine/suisse before the tour as he has stated he wants to win all 7 big one week stage races (he has 3).

Maybe vuelta after tour otherwise traditional WC the italian fall classics

 

[RedheadDane]

You think (now) or thought (then)?

I've realised now that it was always the best way to look at it.
And also realised that like with the rumours, it's best just to ignore it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes La Maine would have an impact in the way MSR is raced.

Practically i think a traditional classic spring next year beckons with either dauphine/suisse before the tour as he has stated he wants to win all 7 big one week stage races (he has 3).

Maybe vuelta after tour otherwise traditional WC the italian fall classics

With La Manie, Pogi would be the hot favourite! In current route, he doesn't have a chance unless MVP is out of the race.

 

[OJRvE]

I hope they wont add a climb just to faciliate a Pog victory. I know they did to make Nibali win but the way he won 2018 was much more rewarding and it will be similar for Pog.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I've realised now that it was always the best way to look at it.
And also realised that like with the rumours, it's best just to ignore it.

Do you think Pogačar will win the Tour, or will it remain a rumour until Sunday?

 

[RedheadDane]

Do you think Pogačar will win the Tour, or will it remain a rumour until next Sunday?

Unlike with rumours, I have evidence that it's quite likely.

 

[scribers]

I've realised now that it was always the best way to look at it.
And also realised that like with the rumours, it's best just to ignore it.

We are all essentially anonymous. What’s the point of engaging anyone then? The guy outlined fairly specifically who he was. Went on to make claims that have played out when he said they would by how much he said they would.

The primary reason he can’t post here is that doubt people have about others they post around. When pressed about being wrong we call the other person a fraud.

 

[James M]

Do you think Pogačar will win the Tour, or will it remain a rumour until next Sunday?

Doesnt really matter weve seen the performance it speaks for itself and only a crash can stop and that doesnt take away from who is the best. We all seen that. I know you was refering to something else etc btw

 

[RedheadDane]

We are all essentially anonymous. What’s the point of engaging anyone then?

To post about the we can see happen. Not some irrelevant numbers like HTP* or stuff like that.

*Hair Tuft Power, for those who are wondering.

 

[sam6]

Dont think anyone is suggesting Vuelta this year. I think thats overdoing it while he properly could win it it can hamper him the upcoming seasons. WC is way more attractive for me and I guess thats the plan and always has been aswell.

The reason why I think he should maybe do the Vuelta is because no one has ever done it before. It would elevate Pogi to Merckx status without a doubt. If Pogi is going to be acknowledged as the GOAT, he needs to do things that are so insane that even Merckx didn't. Especially if there are big races where he won't win like Paris-Roubaix. He still looks so at ease and riding within himself. I don't think there will be anyone there to be close to him, apart from Roglic but he is a level below and 50/50 if he even finishes, and he can probably cruise to a win like he did in the Giro

 

[James M]

The reason why I think he should maybe do the Vuelta is because no one has ever done it before. It would elevate Pogi to Merckx status without a doubt. If Pogi is going to be acknowledged as the GOAT, he needs to do things that are so insane that even Merckx didn't. I don't think there will be anyone there to be close to him, apart from Roglic but he is a level below and 50/50 if he even finishes, and he can probably cruise to a win like he did in the Giro

I see your reasoning but I dont think Merckx is close to him even now thats just me. I think Pogacar is by a wide margin the best of all time. But I get what your saying and if you mean by greatness sure I agree but not if it will ruin him the upcoming seasons thats my point about that if you get what im saying? 3 Gt in one year can do that most likely not to him but who knows im sure they know that better but that was my only point. I get what your saying though.

Didnt I read somewhere giro, tour and wc(if he does that) was a rare achievement aswell? Sure would elevate him in greatness terms aswell for those who just look at preemptively stats only.

 

[RedheadDane]

Didnt I read somewhere giro, tour and wc(if he does that) was a rare achievement aswell? Sure would elevate him in greatness terms aswell for those who just look at preemptively stats only.

And if he becomes World Champion, UAE will have to give him a proper jersey. The UCI ain't gonna stand for nonsense like this:

(Just imagine rainbow stripes instead of Slovenian bands)

 

[sam6]

I see your reasoning but I dont think Merckx is close to him even now thats just me. I think Pogacar is by a wide margin the best of all time. But I get what your saying and if you mean by greatness sure I agree but not if it will ruin him the upcoming seasons thats my point about that if you get what im saying? 3 Gt in one year can do that most likely not to him but who knows im sure they know that better but that was my only point. I get what your saying though.

Didnt I read somewhere giro, tour and wc(if he does that) was a rare achievement aswell? Sure would elevate him in greatness terms aswell for those who just look at preemptively stats only.

Giro + Tour + Worlds has been done by Merckx, Stephen Roache and van Vleuten in the women's. So it would be a crazy achievement but it has been done before. Giro + Tour + Vuelta in a season has never been done. We saw last year it is possible to still win the Vuelta after riding Giro+Tour by Kuss

 

[Peyroteo94]

Giro + Tour + Worlds has been done by Merckx, Stephen Roache and van Vleuten in the women's. So it would be a crazy achievement but it has been done before. Giro + Tour + Vuelta in a season has never been done. We saw last year it is possible to still win the Vuelta after riding Giro+Tour by Kuss

2 things. Kuss didn't ride full gas (by that I mean fighting for the GC) during Giro and Tour. In Vuelta, Jumbo gifted him a GC win.