Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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bNator said:
What is this - a kindergarten? Yes, this is the only thing that matters if you're a 13 yo fanboy. The rest of us fans also want to know when we are being fed ***.

Let me put it like this: You can either say Pog will destroy Vinge or you can say Vinge is going to destroy Pog. There is a certain chance you are going to be right which doesn't prove anything in any way you knew it as there's a high chance you just guessed it.
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I thought you weren’t interested in talking about mou. Why do you keep talking about mou?
 
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Tim Cahill said:
But his numbers aren't correct, the greatest irony of his claims are that he severely underestimated the level Pogacar (and Vingegaard) would be at. The performance is why everyone has been scrambling around to try and find a non-nefarious explanation, and what led people outside the forum to this thread to search for one;





If Pogacar was at the level Mou described, he would've lost several minutes.
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I am quite sure he said Pog did 8,5w/kg for 12min before Strade Bianche
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Somwhow I would like to know how good is Pogacar compared to previous years. Unfortunately without a 100% Jonas, it is hard to know. I only know his true level when he is racing against MVP (north classics) or Vingegaard (Stage races), if these 2 aren't in the race, Pogacar can destroy the field even if he is racing at 95%.
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No it's not hard to know: he's at 100%, the best that he has ever been. With a Giro in the legs. It's 100% Pogacar. Reflecting on himself making a stupid attack, but because he can, he does...
 
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Rechtschreibfehler said:
It's more like he was on spot with the numbers apparently. And also did say stuff Pogacar confirmed about training if I understand correctly those who have quoted and wittnessed him. I mean that's the only reason I think that mou became a thing on the internet outside of this forum. Enough so that Pogi was asked a question about him and answered knowledgeable.
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was he? please cite direct evidence, not "apparently" (favorite first word for a tiktok). From what I have seen, he just made up numbers, and we don't even know Pog's real present-day numbers anyway.
 
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He was off on pogis weight by a half a kilo on the remco side. Apparently pogis camp figured out he go go a little lower and maintain power. So mou was a little low on his total effective power output quotes compared to actual. But it was still the winter at that time.
 
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proffate said:
was he? please cite direct evidence, not "apparently" (favorite first word for a tiktok). From what I have seen, he just made up numbers, and we don't even know Pog's real present-day numbers anyway.
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See when you're outside tiktok apparently just means apparently, it gives an indication of the epistemic position from which one speaks you know. I didn't want to convince you of anything, I merely pointed out that it seems a little more complex than just saying "he will get better!" about a still young rider.
I am agnostic about the entire mou thing, but even Pogacar has an opinion on this supposed "insider", as mentioned. But you can of course dismiss the option entirely that he knew something and think he just guessed what the estimations would be. I don't know how his his and mit ration was, or is, neither have I the time to look it up, or the motivation to. Yet the fact remains, that people started to turn his "prophecy" into a possible explanation for what happened on Sunday. Not because he just screamed "Pogi is gonna be so much stronger than Skeletor, there's gonna be so much winning! So much follks! You've never seen so much winning in your life!". but because of detailed postings by mou.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Somwhow I would like to know how good is Pogacar compared to previous years. Unfortunately without a 100% Jonas, it is hard to know. I only know his true level when he is racing against MVP (north classics) or Vingegaard (Stage races), if these 2 aren't in the race, Pogacar can destroy the field even if he is racing at 95%.
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We haven’t seen the rebuilt pogi against mvp except
For LBL, which doesn’t count. And ciciban msr which doesn’t count a lot either
 
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bNator said:
[[content deleted]] The rest of us fans also want to know when we are being fed ***.

Let me put it like this: You can either say Pog will destroy Vinge or you can say Vinge is going to destroy Pog. There is a certain chance you are going to be right which doesn't prove anything in any way you knew it as there's a high chance you just guessed it.
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isn't this a post from 4 weeks ago? Sounds similar to what someone else said which is nonsense layered with conjecture and a sugar coating of shiny bullsh*t. Anyway it is totally relevant in current fanboy context.
 
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I was amused when I saw the carbon monoxide test as something controversial. It's a decades old allergy test where you can have various aerosol steroid inhalers administered to see how you respond. At least that was what the Doc put me through. The test was not represented as anything other than a response analytical tool.
In the end I wasn't interested in the 'roids because I had to get a TUE for an inhaler I never used which didn't help anyway a year before.
The Doc then suggested that the fledgling hormone replacement industry would restore "even playing field" performance. Never blinked when I asked if that was UCI legal. Turned out masters racers from local to National used them.
For what it's worth I got three retroactive race wins when guys beating me got busted and 'fessed up to the period of exposure to avoid longer bans.
I quit racing not long after.
 
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bNator said:
I don’t even know what you are trying to say. What is relevant?
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It's a joke on a joke. What you said was an echo of what either polarity of fan was projecting.
I'm never sure what age or exposure of cycling fan is posting since it's either Armageddon level destruction of opposing riders or painful microwattage analysis of prospective gaming outcomes.
I totally agree with you as we are having fun guessing. I like my prognostications with a glass or two....tonight.
 
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magliaroz said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1813706958987551097
View: https://x.com/Noticiclismo1/status/1813706958987551097?t=PRgcJCyf6ItXZA0t-XqxKQ&s=19


But Vingegaard stalking Pogacar while having 7 minutes on him last year was fine, right?
[[deleted content]]. The only one who is still not over the past ( THAT 2020 ITT) is him and it shows.
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This is totally taken out of context, because I've seen what he says in Dutch, and it isn't anything like you portray. [[content deleted]]
 
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