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Peyroteo94 said:
Fisherman is already training to close the gap to Pogacar. Never saw a rider starting his road season before November. He is really focused, Pogacar needs to up his game again and not let Vingegaard win the Tour.
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No sweat. The other thing gained by Pogi this season is confidence. Pogacar took everything thrown at him in 2022 and 2023 and exceeded that by a wide margin. He cannot be complacent but I see no reason why he won't school Vingegard and Visma again in 2025. Remember likely he won't ride the Giro next season. He just needs to stay healthy and uninjured.
 
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No sweat. The other thing gained by Pogi this season is confidence. Pogacar took everything thrown at him in 2022 and 2023 and exceeded that by a wide margin. He cannot be complacent but I see no reason why he won't school Vingegard and Visma again in 2025. Remember likely he won't ride the Giro next season. He just needs to stay healthy and uninjured.
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Vingegaard too. At least Pogacar has a great team now and not a weak team like the one he had in 2020-2022 period
 
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Oldermanish said:
I like the idea of charging for select areas, especially for the VIP douche's. Teams should get a large share of that but the roadside is for the people...that's the heart of the sport's connection to everyman. It's not like a cyclocross venue that's contained, has beergardens, etc. Folks walk up long roads just to glimpse a passing group.
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Majority of all race fans of all kinds see majority of coverage on TV and social media. In GP and Super Bike, they have a pay area to walk the pits and amongst the team vehicles, and a second tier pit pass that costs extra. Don't have a clue to know revenue it brings in. In bike racing I have not seen many restrictions and you can get fairly close to team bus and support vehicles.
All you need to do is look at major professional sports to see how absolutely broken the cycling business model is and has been!!
Tonight tens of millions worldwide will watch MLB World Series.. Only 56,000 paid attendance for live event.
Name the sport, you see where they will play and when, often less than @100,000 able to see live..TV and revenue from transmission rights will bring in millions. Pro bike racing still can't crack the code for selling the product!! When does the season start? When does it end? Is there a championship? Is it the Worlds or TDF? Nobody seems to know.. Is Pogacar the best because he won the WC race or because he won TDF?
This year was a little less confusing because he won both..
Why does pro golf, pro football or all kinds,basketball, baseball, hockey, F1, GP,NASCAR, SuperBike...why do all these lucrative popular sports do it differently than pro bike racing..?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpkwqnogQnc&pp=ygUVaGlnaGVzdCBwYWlkIGF0aGxldGVz

Why is Pogacar not on this list? Athletic ability? Or failed marketing and business model of pro cycling?
 
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Unchained said:
Majority of all race fans of all kinds see majority of coverage on TV and social media. In GP and Super Bike, they have a pay area to walk the pits and amongst the team vehicles, and a second tier pit pass that costs extra. Don't have a clue to know revenue it brings in. In bike racing I have not seen many restrictions and you can get fairly close to team bus and support vehicles.
All you need to do is look at major professional sports to see how absolutely broken the cycling business model is and has been!!
Tonight tens of millions worldwide will watch MLB World Series.. Only 56,000 paid attendance for live event.
Name the sport, you see where they will play and when, often less than @100,000 able to see live..TV and revenue from transmission rights will bring in millions. Pro bike racing still can't crack the code for selling the product!! When does the season start? When does it end? Is there a championship? Is it the Worlds or TDF? Nobody seems to know.. Is Pogacar the best because he won the WC race or because he won TDF?
This year was a little less confusing because he won both..
Why does pro golf, pro football or all kinds,basketball, baseball, hockey, F1, GP,NASCAR, SuperBike...why do all these lucrative popular sports do it differently than pro bike racing..?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpkwqnogQnc&pp=ygUVaGlnaGVzdCBwYWlkIGF0aGxldGVz

Why is Pogacar not on this list? Athletic ability? Or failed marketing and business model of pro cycling?
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The difference between all of these sport is the pure professionalism of the Owner/investor class. They have a direct association with the NFL, MLB, WL, F1, whatever. They sit in meetings when broadcast contracts are negotiated and have an actual business perspective. They also seek counsel on monetizing their individual brands to garner loyal fan revenue. Red Bull might come close but it's also in their house and not a shared model. The Oil sponsors simply don't care and don't share unless they buy a Football club for billions (fill in your currency here). They pay attention then, not to make money but to avoid looking foolish.

Cycling is dominated by DS who squeeze every paper-bag cash bribe/extortion they can from their own riders; especially those young guys that want to make The Show. They sleaze personal benefits from every sponsor and that small minded Medieval model hasn't changed much. They are carnival caravans compared to other sports and it might be because the DS, who used to race realized they can make money long after they can't ride by being the marque act in their little circus: CLOWNS.
 
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Unchained said:
Majority of all race fans of all kinds see majority of coverage on TV and social media. In GP and Super Bike, they have a pay area to walk the pits and amongst the team vehicles, and a second tier pit pass that costs extra. Don't have a clue to know revenue it brings in. In bike racing I have not seen many restrictions and you can get fairly close to team bus and support vehicles.
All you need to do is look at major professional sports to see how absolutely broken the cycling business model is and has been!!
Tonight tens of millions worldwide will watch MLB World Series.. Only 56,000 paid attendance for live event.
Name the sport, you see where they will play and when, often less than @100,000 able to see live..TV and revenue from transmission rights will bring in millions. Pro bike racing still can't crack the code for selling the product!! When does the season start? When does it end? Is there a championship? Is it the Worlds or TDF? Nobody seems to know.. Is Pogacar the best because he won the WC race or because he won TDF?
This year was a little less confusing because he won both..
Why does pro golf, pro football or all kinds,basketball, baseball, hockey, F1, GP,NASCAR, SuperBike...why do all these lucrative popular sports do it differently than pro bike racing..?
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpkwqnogQnc&pp=ygUVaGlnaGVzdCBwYWlkIGF0aGxldGVz

Why is Pogacar not on this list? Athletic ability? Or failed marketing and business model of pro cycling?
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The upside to cycling’s methodology is nearly every major race (at least a dozen?) is contested thoroughly and celebrated universally. Rather one final championship.

To me this issue is who is keeping the money and why aren’t the sport teams and athletes maximally monetized.
 
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scribers said:
The upside to cycling’s methodology is nearly every major race (at least a dozen?) is contested thoroughly and celebrated universally. Rather one final championship.

To me this issue is who is keeping the money and why aren’t the sport teams and athletes maximally monetized.
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See the preceding post. Small market minds are squirreling nuts away and there is no more money.
 
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scribers said:
This is @mou recent tweet for the tour uae lineup. He reads this forum and replies to it on twitter

Novak-Pollit-Soler-Mcnulty-Sivakov-Almeida-Yates - Pog
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Wellens is Pogacar's buddy. No way Mcnulty will be there. Somehow I'm afraid Visma will have a better mountain train than UAE. I think UAE is missing another top mountain domestique. Yates and Almeida are not enough to Simon Yates, Matteo and Kuss.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Wellens is Pogacar's buddy. No way Mcnulty will be there. Somehow I'm afraid Visma will have a better mountain train than UAE. I think UAE is missing another top mountain domestique. Yates and Almeida are not enough to Simon Yates, Matteo and Kuss.
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Sivakov was pretty good towards the end of the season and didnt McNulty do a monster stage not too long ago in the Tour? Both are capable in my opinion.

With Almeida and Yates that is great.
 
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@mou was down on mcnulty last winter as not a good support for pogi along the same lines as why Ayuso (thinks he should be leader) and Vine (never really explained why. Just that he wasn’t a good support for pogi). Maybe Mcnulty accepts he cannot win most races in the heart of the season as a leader in spite of his qualities and is ready to ride as support?
 
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