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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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But that was a subpar Jonas. No way he was at his best. Jonas is not even in the mountains with Remco.
Subpar against what he might have been capable of with perfect prep but, with the exception of Bonnette, still climbing better than when he won the Tour in 22 and 23. But if Pogacar turns up in 24 form next year he will still win - he’s not doing the Giro.

This year Vingo seemed to weaken in the 3rd week as we suspected although he still beat Remco in the stage 21 TT so he wasn’t going too badly.

But all this just whets the appetite for the 2025 Tour.
 
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Subpar against what he might have been capable of with perfect prep but, with the exception of Bonnette, still climbing better than when he won the Tour in 22 and 23. But if Pogacar turns up in 24 form next year he will still win - he’s not doing the Giro.

This year Vingo seemed to weaken in the 3rd week as we suspected although he still beat Remco in the stage 21 TT so he wasn’t going too badly.

But all this just whets the appetite for the 2025 Tour.

While Vingegaard was unbelievably strong during the Tour I think it's out of question he should be stronger without the crash.
Whether that's enough to close the entire gap and will Pogacar progress even further we don't know but I don't think dF 2024 should be used as the only proof when we discuss the balance between the 2
 
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Subpar against what he might have been capable of with perfect prep but, with the exception of Bonnette, still climbing better than when he won the Tour in 22 and 23. But if Pogacar turns up in 24 form next year he will still win - he’s not doing the Giro.

This year Vingo seemed to weaken in the 3rd week as we suspected although he still beat Remco in the stage 21 TT so he wasn’t going too badly.

But all this just whets the appetite for the 2025 Tour.
I was comparing Vingegaard in Plateau de Beille with Vingegaard in Isola.
 
DIdnt Contador state live on Eurosport that he think Pogacar is the best of all time even? hard to even txxxl now thats how superior he is. They could claw themself to the straw that pogacar lost when he rode with a broken wrist and no altitude etc, but so would roglic and other even beat him its not hard to figure out reading the numbers:sweatsmile:.

No more and its not close if he is 100% evne my grandma which are objective could say so,its just facts i suggest deal with it, cause its only starting, my tip would be to make life better, go with what Plugge in jumbo said he is a smart man theres not much anyone can do.
 
Ill make it very simply, Pogi won cause:

https://lanternerouge.com/2024/07/1...ateau-de-beille-tour-de-france-2024-stage-15/

Best climber of all time - the end.

Throw in the second best climb of all time for good measure and incase its still hard for someone, always here to help and keeping it real. If someone wants him to literally race with a broken wrist and if not its unfair i cant help you with that. : View: https://x.com/NaichacaCycling/status/1812186697477591401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1812186697477591401%7Ctwgr%5Ee83d07089494dad2acad783975138324d3ce8209%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.cyclingnews.com%2Fthreads%2Ftadej-pogaC48Dar-discussion-thread.34270%2Fpage-694


The end. :tearsofjoy:
 
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Yes, due to the fanfare of PdB we all forget Pla d'Adet. Vingo didn’t do too bad there either for an injured rider. Vingo’s power was peak. He lost some of his feared 3rd week recovery superiority. That is why the final margin blew out on stages 19,20 and 21.
 
Ill make it very simply, Pogi won cause:

https://lanternerouge.com/2024/07/1...ateau-de-beille-tour-de-france-2024-stage-15/

Best climber of all time - the end.

Throw in the second best climb of all time for good measure and incase its still hard for someone, always here to help and keeping it real. If someone wants him to literally race with a broken wrist and if not its unfair i cant help you with that. : View: https://x.com/NaichacaCycling/status/1812186697477591401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1812186697477591401%7Ctwgr%5Ee83d07089494dad2acad783975138324d3ce8209%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.cyclingnews.com%2Fthreads%2Ftadej-pogaC48Dar-discussion-thread.34270%2Fpage-694


The end. :tearsofjoy:
Can't wait for a 2000 VAM in the steepest part of Angliru
 
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Yep, sola himself said he has never seen an athlete who improves so fast the way pog did & said he might have been touched by a magic wand. Recently Ving said to the denish media that he didn't have the same watts in the tour that he had prior to his crash which is a contradicting statement to what he was saying on pdb stage where he said he did his best ever watts. He doesn't want to accept pogs dominance since he was 2022&23 tdf champion & he believes he is the best which is good for the sport & the competition but i'm afraid he will learn it the hard way in 2025 when pog treats him the way he treated martinez in giro
You're touching on why many of the armchair wattcounters are not in the ballpark of reality. A race is a RACE; not zwift and even when you're not pedaling in a GT the stress is taking it's toll. Maybe someday we'll see the actual files of two preeminent competitors after an epic race. Then you might know where and how they took advantage of their specific strengths.
 
@James M Pla d'Adet isn't even top2 now. The second best is easily Isola2000, not that far behind PdB. 1820 m/h of VAM on a long, 7% climb is nuts. And he did a large part alone.
Ur absolutely right Isola2000 was even better, Pla d*Adet just popped to mind aswell but its so many just goes to show.... was also argueably the hardest stage considering week 3 with Bonette and de Vars before.

He averaged averaged 6.83 ᵉW/Kg for 37:44 min and 7.21 ᵉW/Kg normalized for sea level. Despite it being at a high altitude, nuts.


In general based on Tdf (not judging WC here which are wilder) he has a FTP of 7w/kg, noone is close, Yates can just sprint all out for 5 min and everyone is deep in the red, besides Pogacar which is prepping and waiting the attack still, its cat vs mouse. Which evidently was exactly what happend too. Or when I hear about others vs him if he is 100% its just pure bark no bite type nonsense, the gap is enourmous.
 
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Point is ppl should really stop confusing themself and making it harder than it really is, just a very friendly tip, lets break it down:

He is obviously the most talented rider out of everyone by a mile even the one who hates him have to accept that, if not they have zero credibility for me which most of em already has showned (won the Tour at age 20, won Flandern in this DNA while winning GT's, unheard off and list could go on and on after this year giro/tour double and WC but lets stop)

- combine that with the best physiological ceiling which also happen to be extraordinary and nothing like weve seen before - ever(Numbers, based on facts which are so much better than anything weve ever seen or even close so its a fact nothing else but a simple fact) - combine that then it is what it is, its really really easy stuff when you look at it from above even from various few looses which all even includes a astherisk to it which further even cement this which are already very obvious or at least should be, based on results and numbers.

- He most likely even has more room to grow than others(not a fact/stat just arguably) for various reasons,with the new coach/program which is very likely and logical /age and so on and especially when the gap is so atrocious big as it is, unless he is not 100% its just degrading to even entertain anything else in my opinion and your gonne end up surprised again next year - all over.

Now its date night and Gladiator 2 much like our modern days gladiators who risk their lives on two wheels.