Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[monferrato]

Not just US market. He was big in Europe too and the Tour grew massively in popularity due to his presence.

Yeah but we are talking about cycling and the state of cycling.. The state of cycling in Europe is way bigger now then it was then..

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah but we are talking about cycling and the state of cycling.. The state of cycling in Europe is way bigger now then it was then..

I fail to see that but it is just me. Maybe you have that opinion due to social media

 

[monferrato]

I fail to see that but it is just me. Maybe you have that opinion due to social media

Thats fine to disagree. But look at the amount of BIG enterprises wanting to come into cycling now, the amount of big money top enterprises are willing to throw into cycling and give enormous budgets compared to before is night and day.

They dont throw around money for fun. Not talking about UAE but theres so many more and more looking to come every year so its clearly a trend aswell, they dont do that for charity or fun, it should be very telling.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Thats fine to disagree. But look at the amount of BIG enterprises wanting to come into cycling now, the amount of big money top enterprises are willing to throw into cycling and give enormous budgets compared to before is night and day.

They dont throw around money for fun. Not talking about UAE but theres so many more and more looking to come every year so its clearly a trend aswell, they dont do that for charity or fun, it should be very telling.

This is not a good argument IMHO. 20 years ago we had US Postal, Telekom, etc. I don't know how were TV ratings 20 years ago compared to now but it would be interesting.
And the richest team is a team from UAE. Money increased also in football due to investment from middle eastern countries.

 

[monferrato]

This is not a good argument IMHO. 20 years ago we had US Postal, Telekom, etc. I don't know how were TV ratings 20 years ago compared to now but it would be interesting.

I think the amount of money top businesses are willing to put into the sport is a very good representative and better than what else I can imagine you draw your conclusion from, no company does that for fun or for charity they do beacuse they know the reach cycling has reached and where its at at the moment and its telling.
Which again directly represents how big cycling is at the moment. In my opinion.

 

[snipeheem]

This is not a good argument IMHO. 20 years ago we had US Postal, Telekom, etc. I don't know how were TV ratings 20 years ago compared to now but it would be interesting.
And the richest team is a team from UAE. Money increased also in football due to investment from middle eastern countries.

This are pretty good numbers https://www.statista.com/statistics/1495790/tour-de-france-viewing-figures/

 

[Peyroteo94]

This are pretty good numbers https://www.statista.com/statistics/1495790/tour-de-france-viewing-figures/

And in 2005? Can you know?

 

[snipeheem]

And in 2005? Can you know?

Only in USA it was over 2,5mln per stage on some platforms , worldwide i cannot find

 

[Peyroteo94]

Only in USA it was over 2,5mln per stage on some platforms , worldwide i cannot find

Thanks mate.

 

[2WpK]

Thats the bike but not Pogacars bike. Its normal he will use some slighty different moderation and materials so most likely 150-300 grams lighter than the original version and even what teammates have. I expect he will use it during the entire classic season and flat/rouler stages during GT.

More and more use aero bikes even in high mountains but if he will I dont know depends on how much they can trim or maybe other stuff, most likely not on high mountain stages I would be surprised but it remains to be seen.

From what he said in the interview, he is undecided. It will be interesting to see what choices he makes as he gets used to the new bike.

 

[Mayomaniac]

From what he said in the interview, he is undecided. It will be interesting to see what choices he makes as he gets used to the new bike.

I guess smarter people on the team will suggest him the most logic thing for the route/stage.
And yes, Pogacar's bike is always filled with tons of upgrades to get the weight down, weird BB, all Alu Bolts replaced with Titanium ones, super light carbon thru axles and carbon chain rings, lighter disc break rotors and so on. His Tour set-up was under 7kg with pedals, they min-maxed all the small component to get the most out of his Colnago bike.

 

[Tymek]

You are right if you are 00's kid. Cycling was bigger in the LA era.

Because it’s the US, but in Europe cycling was never that popular like it’s nowadays.

 

[Cookster15]

I guess smarter people on the team will suggest him the most logic thing for the route/stage.
And yes, Pogacar's bike is always filled with tons of upgrades to get the weight down, weird BB, all Alu Bolts replaced with Titanium ones, super light carbon thru axles and carbon chain rings, lighter disc break rotors and so on. His Tour set-up was under 7kg with pedals, they min-maxed all the small component to get the most out of his Colnago bike.

Thanks for spelling this out. When disc brakes and aero frames became the norm they had to get the weight back down to the UCI limit by making bikes way more expensive.

 

[snipeheem]

Because it the US, but in Europe cycling was never that popular like it’s nowadays.

Idk about that , Pantani used to be a very big star in Europe

 

[Peyroteo94]

Idk about that , Pantani used to be a very big star in Europe

I think social media gives a false perception of popularity.

 

[steffr222]

Idk about that , Pantani used to be a very big star in Europe

Yes. And in Germany - which is by far the most populated country of EU - cycling used to be much, much bigger back in in Ullrich and Telekom times too.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Because it’s the US, but in Europe cycling was never that popular like it’s nowadays.

In Belgium, where I live, I think it's fair to say that cycling has been popular for quite some time.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

One could argue that if not Pogačar in 2024, then who and when?

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/opinion-bbc-sports-personality-of-the-year-snub-of-tadej-pogacar-presents-bigger-problem-in-attitudes-towards-cycling

That said, he seemed pretty pleased with awards already received and more award ceremonies might not be what he's looking for right now.

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[snipeheem]

One could argue that if not Pogačar in 2024, then who and when?

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/opinion-bbc-sports-personality-of-the-year-snub-of-tadej-pogacar-presents-bigger-problem-in-attitudes-towards-cycling

That said, he seemed pretty pleased with awards already received and more award ceremonies might not be what he's looking for right now.

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Its Messi for winning WC in 2022.

 

[holmgren]

Have Pogacar started to ride his Y1RS yet or they still havent gotten them and proper try it? Haven't seen them in any training videos for any UAE rider when they train besides briefly Almeida alone for promo for 15sec.

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[Peyroteo94]

Have Pogacar started to ride his Y1RS yet or they still havent gotten them and proper try it? Haven't seen them in any training videos for any UAE rider when they train besides briefly Almeida alone for promo for 15sec.

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I believe so. UAE's training camp will end in 4 days and we will probably know what they have been doing during these 3 weeks

 

[Peyroteo94]

Goerge Bennett said the 4 best riders in the world are the best because they have better genetics and also said Visma was more professional than UAE because they test their riders meanwhile UAE only bought riders with good results without doing anything more. Bennett rode for both teams.

 

[Fos]

Have Pogacar started to ride his Y1RS yet or they still havent gotten them and proper try it? Haven't seen them in any training videos for any UAE rider when they train besides briefly Almeida alone for promo for 15sec.

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Of course. There is a pic where you can see him eating a cake...and also riding the new bike!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Of course. There is a pic where you can see him eating a cake...and also riding the new bike!

"Unreal genetics" make Tour de France winners, George Bennett says - "UAE didn’t test anywhere near as much as Jumbo"

George Bennett is now 34 years of age and riding with Israel - Premier Tech. The Kiwi says that he's had his best level ever this season, but it's nowhere near the level necessary to have the results...

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[holmgren]

I believe so. UAE's training camp will end in 4 days and we will probably know what they have been doing during these 3 weeks

Cheers.