Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

In terms of what pogi could do at P-R I look at a few things. Some here like to talk about weight and even mou speaks of weight a bit in relationship to performance. I’ve seen some pros suggest weight might not be prohibitively to pogi being competitive if not dominate.
But look at the gravel stage of the tour last year. If it were a one day race could anyone seriously hang with pogi and all of his cards on the table? Vingo had to use some watts with Jorgensen in front of him to stay on terms. Gravel = cobbles? I get it but power is power.
Also, Hinault and even lemond did well in P-R compared to so called heavier guys. Specialists have t really tried in the modern era. Look at pidcock at P-R; not terrible in relationship to his typical performances

 

[Tymek]

In terms of what pogi could do at P-R I look at a few things. Some here like to talk about weight and even mou speaks of weight a bit in relationship to performance. I’ve seen some pros suggest weight might not be prohibitively to pogi being competitive if not dominate.
But look at the gravel stage of the tour last year. If it were a one day race could anyone seriously hang with pogi and all of his cards on the table? Vingo had to use some watts with Jorgensen in front of him to stay on terms. Gravel = cobbles? I get it but power is power.
Also, Hinault and even lemond did well in P-R compared to so called heavier guys. Specialists have t really tried in the modern era. Look at pidcock at P-R; not terrible in relationship to his typical performances

Exactly.
Pogi can win Paris - Roubaix without any problem, just watch him destroying everybody (except Stuyven) on cobble stage in TdF 2022. If Van Aert wouldn’t be there for Vingegaard Pogi could’ve gain more than minute on that stage on peleton.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This conversation is pointless, Pogacar will not race PR, just enjoy the new year

 

[Tymek]

This conversation is pointless, Pogacar will not race PR, just enjoy the new year

We’ll see about that 😉
I still think that he will race if he will win both MSR and RVV.

 

[scribers]

Peyote has a lot quotable material in here waiting to be proven wrong

 

[Salvarani]

We’ll see about that 😉
I still think that he will race if he will win both MSR and RVV.

Bigger chance for PR this year than Vuelta imo.

 

[2WpK]

In terms of what pogi could do at P-R I look at a few things. Some here like to talk about weight and even mou speaks of weight a bit in relationship to performance. I’ve seen some pros suggest weight might not be prohibitively to pogi being competitive if not dominate.
But look at the gravel stage of the tour last year. If it were a one day race could anyone seriously hang with pogi and all of his cards on the table? Vingo had to use some watts with Jorgensen in front of him to stay on terms. Gravel = cobbles? I get it but power is power.
Also, Hinault and even lemond did well in P-R compared to so called heavier guys. Specialists have t really tried in the modern era. Look at pidcock at P-R; not terrible in relationship to his typical performances

I think people have to keep that Tour stage in perspective. A stage of the Tour is raced very differently than a one day Classic. You don't have a bunch of Classics' specialists training and peaking, like you would for PR.

 

[scribers]

I would suggest there are riders in squads specifically prepared to race that stage full gas to save their GC rider’s tour. We’ve mentioned a couple just in these replies.

And other squads who marked out that stage for a specialist to win. A tour stage is no small matter on a riders/squad’s calendar

 

[stonerider]

.Look at pidcock at P-R; not terrible in relationship to his typical performances

...and Pidcock weighs a lot less than Pog.

 

[hayneplane]

I think people have to keep that Tour stage in perspective. A stage of the Tour is raced very differently than a one day Classic. You don't have a bunch of Classics' specialists training and peaking, like you would for PR.

It’s not as though Pogacar was peaking for classics type efforts at that time as his training would have been focused on 25-45 minute climbing performances.

 

[Cookster15]

I’m not going to predict whether he does PR or the Vuelta. But in my opinion, at this stage of his career PR is very risky. Of all the monuments surely PR is the biggest risk of crashing and throwing away his TdF chances?

Best to attempt PR in a few years when he has already ticked a few more Tour and minor grand tour boxes.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Peyote has a lot quotable material in here waiting to be proven wrong

Tell me what material do you have.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I would suggest there are riders in squads specifically prepared to race that stage full gas to save their GC rider’s tour. We’ve mentioned a couple just in these replies.

And other squads who marked out that stage for a specialist to win. A tour stage is no small matter on a riders/squad’s calendar

Tratnik was probably chosen just to give his bike in stage 9 to Vingegaard lol

 

[scribers]

Tell me what material do you have.

I don’t know off hand. But there’s something for every situation. Watch for quotables when they happen

 

[Mina.S]

I think he is more likely to try gravel worlds at the end of the season that PR. It is in Nice and he had already reconned the route.

 

[Salvarani]

I think people have to keep that Tour stage in perspective. A stage of the Tour is raced very differently than a one day Classic. You don't have a bunch of Classics' specialists training and peaking, like you would for PR.

Pog will be training and focused on classics this spring.

 

[scribers]

Happy new year gents and gentle ladies !

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don’t know off hand. But there’s something for every situation. Watch for quotables when they happen

Right, I'm waiting.

 

[hayneplane]

I think he is more likely to try gravel worlds at the end of the season that PR. It is in Nice and he had already reconned the route.

Biggest problem there is how close it is to Lombardia and I think he would take another monument over a niche world title.

 

[stonerider]

If he wins Milan San Remo this year, then the only monument left for him to take is Paris Roubaix. Because it is so hard on equipment, he shouldn't wait until the later years of his career to try and take that one as well for his palmares. You have to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[sam6]

Exactly.
Pogi can win Paris - Roubaix without any problem, just watch him destroying everybody (except Stuyven) on cobble stage in TdF 2022. If Van Aert wouldn’t be there for Vingegaard Pogi could’ve gain more than minute on that stage on peleton.

Stuyven stayed with him and his best result in PR is 4th. That's probably the limit of what he can do in Roubaix unless he trains for it specifically

 

[Peyroteo94]

My takes to 2025:
He will not win MSR, not even close to win to be more precise.
He will destroy MVP in RVV after not being able to drop him in E3.
No PR
Easy win in AGR, FW and LBL
Easy win in Dauphiné against Vingegaard
Huge battle in the Tour against Vingegaard. He will win by a couple of minutes, the first TT will be a huge win for Pogacar because Vingegaard will need to attack and drop Pogacar, he will not be successful though.
Rest (unfortunately he will not race the Vuelta according to our cycling prophet).
WC double (a 105 km solo in the road race).
Another demolition in Lombardia.

 

[hayneplane]

Stuyven stayed with him and his best result in PR is 4th. That's probably the limit of what he can do in Roubaix unless he trains for it specifically

I don’t think that is greatly relevant as dropping Stuyven was not needed then or even particularly desirable as having someone strong to take some pulls was helpful to keeping a gap to other GC riders.

 

[KZD]

My takes to 2025:
He will not win MSR, not even close to win to be more precise.
He will destroy MVP in RVV after not being able to drop him in E3.
No PR
Easy win in AGR, FW and LBL
Easy win in Dauphiné against Vingegaard
Huge battle in the Tour against Vingegaard. He will win by a couple of minutes, the first TT will be a huge win for Pogacar because Vingegaard will need to attack and drop Pogacar, he will not be successful though.
Rest (unfortunately he will not race the Vuelta according to our cycling prophet).
WC double (a 105 km solo in the road race).
Another demolition in Lombardia.

I agree with almost everything but you forgot UAE Tour and Strade Bianche.

 

[Tymek]

Stuyven stayed with him and his best result in PR is 4th. That's probably the limit of what he can do in Roubaix unless he trains for it specifically

I don’t think so. You can’t compare stage race 1:1 to classics. Pog probably didn’t want to get away from Stuyven.