Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Big Doopie]

Equally, it is impossible to be a one-time winner of the Tour de France who wins again, as when you win again you are a two time winner rather than a one time winner.

If u read my post I am simply pointing out that all the one-time winners obviously lost the next time. But that also means they likely failed to repeat after losing (Zoetemelk, Ocana, Riis, Van Impe, etc. etc. )

There is nothing here for Bernal to break, he will just join Lambot, Leducq, Magne, Maes, Bartali, Coppi and Thevenet as two time winners with at least one loss in between.

Which is rare. That is my only point.

All I was noting was Pog may want to focus on the TDF to see if he can tie or break the most important record in cycling. If he tries to do the giro Tdf double, he may struggle to win the TDF… at which point winning it again in future years appears rare in these cases. Why risk it? Just focus on the TDF. Throw in the Vuelta. And once u have taken six, go for the giro.

Okay. Done on this. Arguing in circles it seems.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

And IMO he needs Roglic & Bernal. But especially Roglic

Roglic is a special case. He may be Pogacar's biggest rival for a few more years.

 

[Red Rick]

The good thing is cycling can offer side challenges while still winning the Tour in July.

Right now, the arguments against a Giro/Tour double are pretty simple. Competition is strong. Team isn't strong enough. And he hasn't even done any doubles yet.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The good thing is cycling can offer side challenges while still winning the Tour in July.

Right now, the arguments against a Giro/Tour double are pretty simple. Competition is strong. Team isn't strong enough. And he hasn't even done any doubles yet.

Pogacar to ride Vuelta route with Morton hunting vampires confirmed.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar to ride Vuelta route with Morton hunting vampires confirmed.

"I don't wanna hunt vampires, I just want to ride my bike"

"If you walk out that door Tadej, don't you ever come back."

 

[SHAD0W93]

"I don't wanna hunt vampires, I just want to ride my bike"

"If you walk out that door Tadej, don't you ever come back."

“I don’t plan on it, you’re crazy.”

“Crazy you say? Crazy or am I the only sane one left you dirty vampire?”

 

[bNator]

I think it's not entirely up to him what he will do in the next few years. He is paid a handsome sum by the sponsors which will probably want TDF victories. I think as long as he is in the game for TDF victory he will have to make sure he does everything in his power to win it.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

domination? ;-)

He was at a beach yesterday so I guess he might try something else than altitude camp: Beach Camp

But I would like to know if he will indeed do Lombardia and if he will do other races. Hoping for the Worlds. Not sure the parcours is for him, but then again, which parcours is not for him . And I am from Belgium so any Belgian race would be fun.

His girlfriend Urska will ride the Tour of Norway starting August 12.

 

[Offline]

What is Pogacar's program between now and Il Lombardia?

My shot on his program. Maybe he ride a 1 week race instead of Bretagne could be Deutschland Tour...

29.08 Bretagne Classic

19.09 Men Elite individual Time Trial
26.09 Men Elite Road Race

02.10 Giro dell'Emilia
06.10 Milano - Torino
07.10 Gran Piemonte
09.10 Il Lombardia

 

[Red Rick]

Could he do Tour of Britain?

Tbh that race could IMO grow a bit as a competitor to the Vuelta in terms of fall tuning up while growing some prestige of it's own.

 

[Offline]

Could he do Tour of Britain?

Tbh that race could IMO grow a bit as a competitor to the Vuelta in terms of fall tuning up while growing some prestige of it's own.

Agree.. But'll be hard to win that race. That race is so perfect for Van Art. I fell the calendar missing a great 1 week races for climbers as alternative for La Vuelta.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

GP Bretagne

European Championships

World Championships

(both only road race?)

Lombardia

This will be Tadejs schedule for the rest of the year.

I actually think this is a wise decision, the Vuelta is too close to the Olympics for him right now.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

My shot on his program. Maybe he ride a 1 week race instead of Bretagne could be Deutschland Tour...

29.08 Bretagne Classic

19.09 Men Elite individual Time Trial
26.09 Men Elite Road Race

02.10 Giro dell'Emilia
06.10 Milano - Torino
07.10 Gran Piemonte
09.10 Il Lombardia

You were very close!

 

[Red Rick]

Agree.. But'll be hard to win that race. That race is so perfect for Van Art. I fell the calendar missing a great 1 week races for climbers as alternative for La Vuelta.

Don't think it should appeal to the clibmers, but I wish it were harder and more prestigious. I think it could be a great stage race for classics riders, more so than Benelux Tour.

For climbers you can't compete with the Vuelta, so if they don't wanna do that there's kinda nothing except for Lombardia, so I would love some really hard climby one day races to happen during the Vuelta.

 

[Offline]

Don't think it should appeal to the clibmers, but I wish it were harder and more prestigious. I think it could be a great stage race for classics riders, more so than Benelux Tour.

For climbers you can't compete with the Vuelta, so if they don't wanna do that there's kinda nothing except for Lombardia, so I would love some really hard climby one day races to happen during the Vuelta.

Agree. I don't want Tour of Britain to appeal for climbers. I was talking about a new race I felt the world tour / pro series was missing.

 

[tobydawq]

Don't think it should appeal to the clibmers, but I wish it were harder and more prestigious. I think it could be a great stage race for classics riders, more so than Benelux Tour.

For climbers you can't compete with the Vuelta, so if they don't wanna do that there's kinda nothing except for Lombardia, so I would love some really hard climby one day races to happen during the Vuelta.

How could a stage race be better for classics riders than the Benelux Tour?

 

[Salvarani]

Would be fantastic if he could end the season with a win in Lombardia. What a season it would be. Winning 2 monuments and the Tour in one year.

 

[Netserk]

He is already the only rider to win the Tour and a monument in the same year since Hinault.

Including the WCRR (and OGRR even if it doesn't make a difference here), only LeMond ('89) and Roche ('87) have managed to do so in the same year. Including the WCTT and OGTT would add Wiggins ('12) and Indurain ('95). It has been more common to win another GT in the same year, done by Froome ('17), Pantani ('98), Indurain ('92, '93) and Roche ('87).

Only Roche (and not even Hinault) managed to win two of the biggest races and the Tour in the same year, the famous Triple Crown. Merckx is the last to do so before Roche.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Tadejwas celebrated in his hometown yesterday:

http://instagr.am/p/CShn1UZIjCY/ View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CShn1UZIjCY/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

In other slovenian news: Andrej Hauptman is no longer slovenian coach, also no for the european championships this year.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogi set to ride European championships, both the road race and ITT.

It's in the quick updates of Telesport, I'm sure there's a primary source somewhere

 

[Bonimenier]

Pogi set to ride European championships, both the road race and ITT.

It's in the quick updates of Telesport, I'm sure there's a primary source somewhere

Announced by European cycling federation itself.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Can you hear this sound? It's teeth chattering in the peleton. Yes, the monster is back! This sunday at Bretagne Classic.

 

[southwards]

The new badger in the old badger's place.

 

[Lequack]

Race is too easy for Pogacar.