Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Disagree. The race is a lot about terrain. Vingo is superior in w/kg department so on those kind of steep climbs his fatigue resistance should be (relatively vs the competition) better than on shorter Liege climbs or shallower Lombardy climbs, even if generally his post 6h performance isn't the best (I think this hypothesis is still not completely proved, time will tell).

I agree but race lenght takes a tool on him. I'm saying this believing he doesn't race classics because he knows he can't maintain his power after 6 hours. But like you said, this hypothesis is not proved.

 

[James M]

Well, when you're pure climber/stage racer you can't have many/any good results in races over 200 km as they rarely do 200 kilometres GC stages.

Also true (but still then it has been raised questionmark on it) but I dont think im saying anything controversial here, but saying Vingegaard would automatically do well in the WC and be 2 or any other classics for that matter and that its guarenteed and basing it on his w/kg in GT thats not very correct if we go by history by any means when he hasnt shown any signs he is capable of either getting the form top required more than once or any results at all in the given format also its no secret about the distance.

And its the subtle thing you say which is huge part of the quesitonmark here, he is more of a pure climber than everyone else, its nothing wrong with what im saying but we should be able to aknowledge this, and hey if he shows up at WC and do well or any other classics I would be the first to be happy but lets not act like its the same, thats all im saying.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I agree but race lenght takes a tool on him. I'm saying this believing he doesn't race classics because he knows he can't maintain his power after 6 hours. But like you said, this hypothesis is not proved.

Not ready to call him the second Rogla in this regard yet. It seems Rogla has a problem with that in monuments, yes. Nonetheless he managed to win a monument (had luck but he was up there fighting) so time will tell how it goes with Vingo.

 

[James M]

Regardles potatoes tomatoes. Pogacar gonne go from afar and destroy the field eitherway who cares.

Do everyone want Rwanda. Martigny route is sick but dont mind the Rwanda route at all, it looks nice. I also agree with someone before that would be cool and good for african cycling to have it there. But good to know if its not doable its still gonne be a sick route.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not ready to call him the second Rogla in this regard yet. It seems Rogla has a problem with that in monuments, yes. Nonetheless he managed to win a monument (had luck but he was up there fighting) so time will tell how it goes with Vingo.

Yes but in your opinion, what is the reason for him to not participate in classics?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Regardles potatoes tomatoes. Pogacar gonne go from afar and destroy the field eitherway who cares.

Do everyone want Rwanda. Martigny route is sick but dont mind the Rwanda route at all, it looks nice. I also agree with someone before that would be cool and good for african cycling to have it there. But good to know if its not doable its still gonne be a sick route.

I like this route (last climb looks like Civiglio) but Kigali looks incredible, a cobbled climb with a lot of ups and downs. It will be epic.

 

[yaf]

I dont know even why people think pog cant win tour vuelta wc combo. Pogs problem is himself that he cant control his instinct Imagine if he is a wheel sucker like ving he would win both grand tours just by wheel sucking ving and only out sprinting him on the line and putting 30 second on TT. This would be the best scenario to still peak for worlds. But unfortunately he is the goat, wheel sucking never crossed his gene & if he doesn't attack he feels like just riding is a waste of time. This scenario is what a person could imagine but this year he will step up way better than last year and the performance gap between him and ving will be embarrassing for fisher, visma & his fans

 

[scribers]

Because everyone has a limit, and finding that limit can be a risk in itself as has been shown time and again at the highest levels of cycling in the form of burnout and physical harm.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Because everyone has a limit, and finding that limit can be a risk in itself as has been shown time and again at the highest levels of cycling in the form of burnout and physical harm.

But Pogacar is a unique rider. I still think his racing schedule is very heavy but as a fan, I am very happy. We will see him a lot!

 

[hayneplane]

Regardles potatoes tomatoes. Pogacar gonne go from afar and destroy the field eitherway who cares.

Do everyone want Rwanda. Martigny route is sick but dont mind the Rwanda route at all, it looks nice. I also agree with someone before that would be cool and good for african cycling to have it there. But good to know if its not doable its still gonne be a sick route.

For cycling fans who want a course that will produce a worthy champion it is a win/win situation no matter how it falls with these two parcours.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes but in your opinion, what is the reason for him to not participate in classics?

Because few big classics really fit him as a pure climber that well (only Lombardy but he rarely is even in form at that time of the year) so he focuses on races that he's most likely to win: stage races. This WC route would be the most fitted to him classic route I've ever seen.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Because few big classics really fit him as a pure climber that well (only Lombardy but he rarely is even in form at that time of the year) so he focuses on races that he's most likely to win: stage races. This WC route would be the most fitted to him classic route I've ever seen.

I don't think so. Mount Kigali is very irregular and it has cobbles. After that, there are only short hills.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't think so. Mount Kigali is very irregular and it has cobbles. After that, there are only short hills.

I was talking about the swiss substitution OFC (if it happens).

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was talking about the swiss substitution OFC (if it happens).

Ah ok, then I agree. If he doesn't perform in this type of course, he isn't a classics rider.

 

[hayneplane]

Better in 2025

 

[Peyroteo94]

Better in 2025

I released a video yesterday of Swart talking about performance and he said Sivakov is doing now 310 watts during 1 hour and in early December (when they start the training camp), he was doing 285/290 watts for 40 minutes (zone 2). I don't have any doubt Pogacar will be better, probably 0,2 w/kg better (or even more which is scary to think). As a cycling fan (and without crashes) only Vingegaard is our hope to make the Tour and Vuelta funny. I don't even think MVP will have a chance in RVV specially against a tremendous UAE team. It is very likely, this season will be even more boring than 2024.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I released a video yesterday of Swart talking about performance and he said Sivakov is doing now 310 watts during 1 hour and in early December (when they start the training camp), he was doing 285/290 watts for 40 minutes (zone 2). I don't have any doubt Pogacar will be better, probably 0,2 w/kg better (or even more which is scary to think). As a cycling fan (and without crashes) only Vingegaard is our hope to make the Tour and Vuelta funny. I don't even think MVP will have a chance in RVV specially against a tremendous UAE team. It is very likely, this season will be even more boring than 2024.

Looking back at 2024 I'm still super impressed by Vingegaard's recovery and participation in the tour and think it was an extraordinary feat. I still have strong hopes for a highly competitive (if injury free) 2025 tour de france.

 

[ZvitaFeltna]

Vingegard biggest problem with WC RR is no race radios. How would RC Vingo perform without some DS from the car non-stop giving him orders and massaging his ego? Whenever there is a discussion on banning race radio in some races VLAB is always against it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vingegard biggest problem with WC RR is no race radios. How would RC Vingo perform without some DS from the car non-stop giving him orders and massaging his ego? Whenever there is a discussion on banning race radio in some races VLAB is always against it.

Visma is very methodical, a little bit like Sky. They follow the racing plan and stick to it

 

[Netserk]

Vingegard biggest problem with WC RR is no race radios. How would RC Vingo perform without some DS from the car non-stop giving him orders and massaging his ego? Whenever there is a discussion on banning race radio in some races VLAB is always against it.

Always follow Pogi. Piss when Pogi pisses, go back to the car when Pogi goes back to the car, attack when Pogi attacks.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Always follow Pogi. Piss when Pogi pisses, go back to the car when Pogi goes back to the car, attack when Pogi attacks.

Eat when Pog eats. Only thing he won’t try to follow Pog on is if Pog crashes.

 

[Froome]

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- Stage 7 can be epic, only chance of Vingegaard to drop Pogacar.

You have to many certainties.

 

[Froome]

After reading the last 3 pages, i thought i was in the Vingegaard thread.

Now, let's move the worlds race to Switzerland. The route looks better than in rwanda.

 

[Cookster15]

Why is Vingegaard even being mentioned in a Pog thread where we are discussing the worlds? Vingegaard will never win a worlds. Worlds are never conducted on HC climbs. And could anyone seriously imagine Vingegaard doing what Pog did in the 2024 WCRR? Sorry, not possible.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why is Vingegaard even being mentioned in a Pog thread where we are discussing the worlds? Vingegaard will never win a worlds. Worlds are never conducted on HC climbs. And could anyone seriously imagine Vingegaard doing what Pog did in the 2024 WCRR? Sorry, not possible.

Same story with Froome in 2018 WC.