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MSR route was released. Manie is not back eheheh. You can add this to your list.
A lot of people like to cheer the person who wins everything, becauase they think that makes them a winner. Not everyone falls into this type of psychological dynamic. Some of us like to see the underdog win, which is its own psychological dynamic, but one I find far more palatable than the other dynamic. These dynamics are not isolated to cycling in any way.
Oh, I can assure you that I have just as vitriolic take on Pogicar worship. I've been perma banned here (but was given a reprieve..albeit a 1 year ban instead) before. It ain't going to ruin your life.I wish i could but not in this forum brother100% perma ban if i told you what i think about the hate for Pogacar here ^^
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I am Following a pro sport for 25+ years almost always behind underdog but first time i am able to witness something like that. I remember when Lebron was carrying bunch of nobodies to nba finals every single year and people where mocking him that he loses in final, even then its was nothing like here when its comes to Pogacar.
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Bro dont be mad at me but this is one of the craziest thing i have ever read in my life.
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Ive concluded Pogacar has ruined cycling for me. How can I watch cycling after getting used to watching the best of all time? Everything else after him will be compared and thereby a letdown. Thanks alot Tadej..
...It's literally a defined psychological issue, that even has a name...it's called Hero Worship (a more crass reference is star f**king). Nothing new here.
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He hasn't ruined anyting for me, other that having to sit through boring races, where fantastical things happen that defy logic...but that't the subject for another part of the forum.
I've been watching professional cycling since 1984...freak shows are nothing new. SSDD, as the former Pogicar used to say.
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Obviously you are in the northern hemisphere. To watch European racing down under we must stay up until 1:30am. A bit hard if you work the next day. I have vivid memories of Pantani's feats in 1998. Been watching since the Indurain era and following cycling since Lemond and Hinault. Refreshing to see a rider who can turn expected norms about racing on their head. Agree about freak shows, this comes with the sport. But naturally this also produces haters. A human condition.
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Did you ever watched Merckx?
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Everyone has their own reasons for following riders. Hero worship isn’t one of mine. Was here through the Contador era when seasoned posters referred to him as “the great one”. Except AC was primarily a grand tour specialist but way more aggressive than Vingegaard.
Pog is just the best I’ve seen across all aspects of road racing. Wasn’t watching when Eddy did his thing but have been watching quite closely since 1992. When this unknown Pogacar kid won ToC and I read he was barely 20 years old I thought I’d better pay closer attention. Since then it’s got better and better and he hasn’t disappointed. Also added to with the drama of him unexpectedly loosing the ‘22 Tour then finally avenging that with an incredible 2024 season.
Roll on 2025. Nothing is certain in cycling but I like the way Pog races and will be backing him again.
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And he is the great one (yeah, I was really bad with girls and PE was my worst subject).
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Creating artificial heroes instead of fighting real wars? I think the greeks called it the olympics. Dont think it'll catch on
Well it's no fun just saying "he's gonna win race X again, only question is from how far out will he attack?"
And just saying "goat goat goat" is really boring, too. Did you watch CX this year? the commentators used thousands of words to say they had no words to describe how good MvdP is...
Much better to speculate on how he could lose, like maybe breaking a cleat or missing his last feed.
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I agree with you but Pogacar is not the one to blame. Other riders need to step up.
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Interesting that the discussion now is about Pog spoiling the sport when it wasn’t very long ago I was reading that he could never beat Vingegaard at the Tour again.
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Don't say that, they are trying to convince others this sport is better without Pogacar. Like we all saw in the opening weekend.
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I'm intrigued about him adding these 2 races. Someone in other thread said he was ill so why not train and rebuild his shape before TA? He will not have much time to train in Calpe after this week.
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Pogi should win this award
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You're talking about a very small minority of people. In real life, Pogačar is already the best ever, and not a single rider, legend, or anyone else doesn't praise him as such. It's common sense in reality, and he's more popular than others combined. I don't personally see many Pogacar haters here. There is a handful you can count on one hand, and they criticize him if he wins 100km solo and the race of the century or a sprint. They’re going to complain regardless and not worth taking serious obviously and says everything you need to know about em, who cares. They are the epitome of how you dont want to end up in my book, but I see only a handful you can count on one hand, besides it comes with the gig of being the best.
A few others complain about his dominance, which in all honesty is a subjective opinion that one can't fault.
Some people like suspense over greatness. But don't mistake that for hate on Pogacar; it's just as much on everyone else and ultimately up to everyone to do something about it.
Since he is so ridiculously strong, there's not much to criticize him for normally, so often it's embarrassing/petty stuff, like Cookster said hes stronger than anyone weve ever seen and he makes the great Contador look like a passive rider, its hard to find things often. But it should be okay to criticize him just like everyone else. And there's plenty of things to criticize him for too but when I read people criticize him for winning its time to pack up the bag and touch some grass.
Mistakes and failures are nice as well, and I'm sure Pogacar himself is the first to admit it when he makes one and he has done many too. Psychopaths like Pogi, who are such a rare breed, —they take everything personally.
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Pogacar won't be the best ever until he wins MSR, PR and La Vuelta (which seems certain).
He doesn't need to have as many victories as Merckx (and he won't have likely) but he needs to win every big race to really be the GOAT.
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And be as dominant for multiple seasons like he did in 2024.
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I wasnt saying goat I was saying best. Two entirely different things, note the difference please.
Everyone knows he is the best ever you dont need to be a Pogacar fan to say that at all, after the 24 season, you literally just have to use common sense, he is so much stronger than anyone weve ever seen on a bike its honestly a joke to even discuss it considering how much stronger he is.
Goat/greatest part is a entirely different thing, I agree for my part he needs to continue to do it longer and agree he dont need to win as much either but thats subjective and not what I said.
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