Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[SafeBet]

however, they did it after 300kms...LOL! And neither of them were ever close to Pog's league. gives you a sense of how effed up those days were... ;-)

Jalabert was a monster of a rider.
I know we tend to have a recency bias but he was as good as Van Aert in his good years, maybe even better.
In 1995 he had 41 top10s out of his first 42 results. And 24 top3s.
Won Paris - Nice, Sanremo, Fleche and la Vuelta among many other races.

 

[RedheadDane]

Alright, guys. It's time we talk about the important stuff!

It is time to talk about Tadej Pogačar’s tufts

In a sport where aero is everything, how much does Tadej’s hair leave on the table?

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[tobydawq]

Jalabert was a monster of a rider.

In 1995 he had 41 top10s out of his first 42 results. And 24 top3s.

This part isn't true. I assume you have used PCS to count but they have only registered the top 10s for most stages in non-GT stage races back then, so there are a decent amount of stages that are missing from the list on his profile but that wasn't because they were all cancelled but because they haven't registered his result.

 

[SafeBet]

This part isn't true. I assume you have used PCS to count but they have only registered the top 10s for most stages in non-GT stage races back then, so there are a decent amount of stages that are missing from the list on his profile but that wasn't because they were all cancelled but because they haven't registered his result.

That's true.
So how many non top10s before the Tour?

Back to the Poggio record, I think he has a chance to break it if UAE goes bananas from the bottom of the climb with the Ulissi-Formolo-Polanc-Covi train. I'm not sure that's the best strategy to win the race though.

 

[tobydawq]

That's true.
So how many non top10s before the Tour?

I don't know, I just saw that there was missing some stages when I looked him up on PCS

 

[Big Doopie]

Jalabert was a monster of a rider.
I know we tend to have a recency bias but he was as good as Van Aert in his good years, maybe even better.
In 1995 he had 41 top10s out of his first 42 results. And 24 top3s.
Won Paris - Nice, Sanremo, Fleche and la Vuelta among many other races.

please do some research on how Jalabert became a “monster of a rider”.

even on GCN they did a lot of tongue in cheek about how there was “a lot of tailwind” going up the Poggio in the 1990s.

serious lol.

 

[StryderHells]

That's true.
So how many non top10s before the Tour?

FirstCycling has a better overview than PCS

 

[Netserk]

please do some research on how Jalabert became a “monster of a rider”.

even on GCN they did a lot of tongue in cheek about how there was “a lot of tailwind” going up the Poggio in the 1990s.

serious lol.

Same tailwind as the past few years? Far more riders have climbed it under 6 minutes in the past few years than during the 90's ...

 

[Red Rick]

Prerry sure bike improvements of the last 20 years help a lot more on a 40kph climb than a 20kph one. Riders willnalso be much fresher going onto the Poggio because of it

 

[SafeBet]

FirstCycling has a better overview than PCS

Yeah I checked it but there's a few results missing as well. Plus they have a bunch of different races listed so not easy to tell.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Back to the Poggio record, I think he has a chance to break it if UAE goes bananas from the bottom of the climb with the Ulissi-Formolo-Polanc-Covi train. I'm not sure that's the best strategy to win the race though.

It might be the best strategy. To win he needs to get away on the Poggio (if not before). If his helpers lead the first half of the climb he would be in an ideal position to create a gap in the second half. Expect a tumultuous fight for position between the big teams in the kilometers just before the Poggio.

 

[Oldermanish]

It might be the best strategy. To win he needs to get away on the Poggio (if not before). If his helpers lead the first half of the climb he would be in an ideal position to create a gap in the second half. Expect a tumultuous fight for position between the big teams in the kilometers just before the Poggio.

There is enough chaotic attacking on the Poggio that having a clog of teammates in front of you isn't helpful. It would be helpful to get him there with a good mate since all the attacks force gaps wiping out any organized tempo. Then there is the descent to follow. This will be a race to look forward to.

 

[Oldermanish]

There is enough chaotic attacking on the Poggio that having a clog of teammates in front of you isn't helpful. It would be helpful to get him there with a good mate since all the attacks force gaps wiping out any organized tempo. Then there is the descent to follow. This will be a race to look forward to.

Like I said....

 

[Netserk]

He rode a poor race today, such a waste of those legs.

 

[skippo12]

He rode a poor race today, such a waste of those legs.

Question is what he could have done differently. Entire group was glued to his wheel. He tried to force it but the Poggio simply isn´t hard enough. No way to sneak away. Brute force wasn´t working. In the end it was the typical story. Everyone against Pogacar. He didn´t win but he still decided the race when he stopped and allowed Mohoric to create a bigger gap.

 

[Eeslliw]

He rode a poor race today, such a waste of those legs.

I was impressed by him today. He was the strongest on the Poggio. He made 2 big attacks before SKA attacked and still he was the only one able to follow him. He really can do it all: TTs, short/long climbs, sprints, long races, positioning in the peloton, reading the race...you name it, he has it. Can't see him getting beaten in GTs for next couple of seasons, excluding crashes or things like that of course. And his biggest rival is going to be 33y and has maybe one season at the absolute top.

 

[ij74]

He rode a poor race today, such a waste of those legs.

Why do you think so? I think he was superb. Everybody expected him to attack on Poggio but he tried it anyway and even though he hadn´t been successful it didn´t discourage him to try it again and again. The hill isn´t just steep enough do it in a "Pogi manner".

 

[roundabout]

I think he went too early on the Poggio, but I suppose Laporte and Ulissi were done at that point and Roglic messed up his positioning , so there was nobody really left capable of making a fast pace until the steepest part at about 1 km to the top.

Edit: maybe Bahrain had the numbers

 

[Netserk]

He attacked after 1'36'' of the Poggio, a 6 minute climb. This was the spot of his first attack, when they rode in to a headwind. Super stupid spot.

As a captain, he is also responsible for how he used his team. He ordered a Cipressa assault.

 

[Salvarani]

I think he went too early on the Poggio, but I suppose Laporte and Ulissi were done at that point and Roglic messed up his positioning , so there was nobody really left capable of making a fast pace until the steepest part at about 1 km to the top.

Edit: maybe Bahrain had the numbers

It was too early to attack... but as you are alluding to, he really had no choice. His chance was to keep the pace up all the way and try to force a selection and create a gap. It got really close in the end for him and Kragh Andersen but it wasnt enough before the descent and the others quickly came back.

Mohoric was incredible on the descent, with skill and luck on a few corners. Right before the finish when his chain dropped could have been a heartbreak moment. Well deserved in the end.

 

[Netserk]

It was too early to attack... but as you are alluding to, he really had no choice. His chance was to keep the pace up all the way and try to force a selection and create a gap. It got really close in the end for him and Kragh Andersen but it wasnt enough before the descent and the others quickly came back.

Mohoric was incredible on the descent, with skill and luck on a few corners. Right before the finish when his chain dropped could have been a heartbreak moment. Well deserved in the end.

Wait for the upcoming hairpin so you at least have a tailwind.

 

[Lequack]

Valiant effort today. But he was a marked man, he wasn't given an inch of space. And it's not like you can ride someone like wout of your wheel on this climb, the only way is if you surprise them or they don't react immediatelly, like with Nibali.

 

[Salvarani]

Wait for the upcoming hairpin so you at least have a tailwind.

Yes, probably would have been better to wait a few seconds but to have the whereabouts full of adrenaline makes those small details and calls difficult to make 100% correctly.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, probably would have been better to wait a few seconds but to have the whereabouts full of adrenaline makes those small details and calls difficult to make 100% correctly.

Milano-Sanremo is the race where you have no excuse for not knowing every meter of the final 10 km. If you attack before the flat part of the climb, it should never be so early and never in to a headwind. They knew this morning what the wind direction would be.

 

[Salvarani]

Milano-Sanremo is the race where you have no excuse for not knowing every meter of the final 10 km. If you attack before the flat part of the climb, it should never be so early and never in to a headwind. They knew this morning what the wind direction would be.

They are not calculated machines at the end of the day.