Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Froome]

Pog can definitely lose a couple of kilos to boost his stage race performance. If he completely gives up on his one day race ambitions and alters his physique accordingly, I think he has a good chance to prevail over Vingegaard. Whether he’ll do that or not it’s impossible to predict as it all depends on how annoyed he gets by keeping losing the Tour to Jonas.

I think he could do the Giro-Tour double successfully if he abandons his one day race aspirations. But personally, I don’t want him to just yet…

If he loses more weight, he can lose power, things don't work like that. He already is very light.

 

[Red Rick]

Hard to subscribe to the idea that Tadej Pogacar in his 5th year in WT is still significantly heavier than he could be for a Tour de France.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Hard to subscribe to the idea that Tadej Pogacar in his 5th year in WT is still significantly heavier than he could be for a Tour de France.

Yes, how did he win 2 Tours at 22 if he could still lose weight?

 

[bNator]

I realise it’s not a very strong point but he just doesn’t “look” that lean to me when comparing him to some other guys. His body is sort of undefined. Which is weird statement considering he is the best rider in the world but his leg muscles surely can’t be that different to other riders in terms of being more evenly distributed that they don’t “stick out” in any place, if you know what I mean… if you look Roglic or Vingegaard, you can see their muscles. With Pog, you don’t. I don’t know if that means anything but my idiot interpretation is he is too fat, to put it bluntly…

Even if he has no fat to lose at all, he could still lose weight on the account of muscles and in this case, he he would lose some of his characteristics by becoming leaner if there’s in fact no fat to be lost. Maybe explosiveness. But he could also gain on his long-climb performance…

 

[Panda Claws]

I have seen people saying this but Pog was still better than he has been before in the Tour this season. Just numbers wise. Despite his preparation. His ITT was one of the best performances he has ever done.

The strength Vinge showed in the ITT is something we have barely seen, ever. It looked like he could have went even faster.

Even if he prepares incredibly well... I dont see him beating July-Vinge, if nothing unforeseen happens to Vinge.

If he can get off the hook for July... Pog should take it next year.

Let them build up the suspense for the Tour with the former teammates Vinge vs Roglic going at each other, with Remco as the "outsider".

Pog can pick up more wins in the classics and the Giro instead. Continuing to add more wins to his already incredible palmares.

Damn you I had almost forgotten about that ITT.

Still can't get over that feeling of first being amazed when seeing Pogacar's first split and then just seeing Vinge kick it up several gears beyond.

 

[Blanco]

3rd, 1st, 1st, 2nd and 2nd... his days are over as a GT-rider. Only classics left for him now.

1st, 1st, 5th, 4th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 1st
So you tell me which one is going better...

 

[iBanesto]

I think that’s true, that’s my fault. I thought you were agreeing with the tweet that he’s not a GT rider anymore.

Enric Mas is considered a Grand Tour rider but has never won one.

Although he has a one day win at the Giro dell'Emilia.

Mas = One day rider.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Because prediction is not my forte (who voted for a Mas win in Il Lombardia 2023? yours truly, that's who!) a Dear Santa letter for 2024 seems to be the better format.

At the top of the list (The Teddy Bear): No crashes, injuries, major illnesses or equipment failures. Good form at the right time, same as for the entire team, not-terrible strategies, minimal drama.

What seems possible (The New Bike): MSR, RVV, LBL and TdF podium placements. IL win. OG top ten.

Not wished for but likely to happen (The Knitted Hat in the Wrong Colour): The UAE Tour, the Slovenian NCs and/or the Tour of Slovenia. TdF, yes,I said it and I say it again.

Not going to happen in a million years or at least not in 2024 (The Pony aka The Complete Disconnect from Reality): MSR, PR, TdF, OG and WC wins. Also a Giro win, while I'm at it.

 

[Mina.S]

I just think this year was not great for Pog. His crash and prep for the tour were never enough to get him to maintain his peak to week 3.

Did anyone else see the interview with his father who said he was sick when he was dropped? I always thought the rumors he was sick/ had covid were just to help soften the blow but now I am not so sure.

 

[vwpe]

If pogacar didnt broke his wrist in LBL he woulda won the tour easy to just like he crushed vinge in paris nice thats the accurate lvl on their both h2h on equal footing. That pogacar can go even with vinge in half tdf with a broken wrist and ridding with pain should tell you all you need to know about that.

Ofc people will look for narratives that makes them happy but this is just facts and last time vinge and pog went h2h in tour without roglic evidence is pretty clear to this is beyond stupid. Vinge nowhere near has the strenght nor endurance pog has(which is evident from the monuments where vinge cant even compete and get a top 10- lombardia) this doesnt mean vingegaard is a bad cyclist before fans with emotions comes in and get hurt. But the fact pog rode this years tour with 4 week prep and a broken wrist and ridding with pain and for the half of the tour is best should tell all you need to know.

Look no further than P-S this year if your actually curious about the lvl on equal footing.

Its far more enteraining to debate and enteratin the idea MVDP vs Pog in next flandern that on the other hand is very up in the air and something worth actually talking about.

 

[tobydawq]

If pogacar didnt broke his wrist in LBL he woulda won the tour easy to just like he crushed vinge in paris nice thats the accurate lvl on their both h2h on equal footing. That pogacar can go even with vinge in half tdf with a broken wrist and ridding with pain should tell you all you need to know about that.

Ofc people will look for narratives that makes them happy but this is just facts and last time vinge and pog went h2h in tour without roglic evidence is pretty clear to this is beyond stupid. Vinge nowhere near has the strenght nor endurance pog has(which is evident from the monuments where vinge cant even compete and get a top 10- lombardia) this doesnt mean vingegaard is a bad cyclist before fans with emotions comes in and get hurt. But the fact pog rode this years tour with 4 week prep and a broken wrist and ridding with pain and for the half of the tour is best should tell all you need to know.

Look no further than P-S this year if your actually curious about the lvl on equal footing.

Its far more enteraining to debate and enteratin the idea MVDP vs Pog in next flandern that on the other hand is very up in the air and something worth actually talking about.

Oh, great, you're back...

 

[Froome]

If pogacar didnt broke his wrist in LBL he woulda won the tour easy to just like he crushed vinge in paris nice thats the accurate lvl on their both h2h on equal footing. That pogacar can go even with vinge in half tdf with a broken wrist and ridding with pain should tell you all you need to know about that.

Fanboy alert and wishfull thinking again.

Yeah, he was riding with so much pain that in the rest day he was doing backflips to the pool 😂

 

[KZD]

I just think this year was not great for Pog. His crash and prep for the tour were never enough to get him to maintain his peak to week 3.

Did anyone else see the interview with his father who said he was sick when he was dropped? I always thought the rumors he was sick/ had covid were just to help soften the blow but now I am not so sure.

Circumstances wise, it was not a great year for Pogačar due to his crash and broken wrist at LBL but results wise it was a great year, only 2021 can be considered more successful because he won the Tour and two monuments but I would argue 2023 was even better overall because he won two monuments, two WT classics, Paris-Nice and still got second at the Tour and third at the Worlds.

The fact that there is still room for improvement shows how crazy talented he is.

 

[gunara]

Fanboy alert and wishfull thinking again.

Yeah, he was riding with so much pain that in the rest day he was doing backflips to the pool 😂

Calling Vwpe fanboy is a wishful thinking in itself

 

[Elos Anjos]

If pogacar didnt broke his wrist in LBL he woulda won the tour easy to just like he crushed vinge in paris nice thats the accurate lvl on their both h2h on equal footing. That pogacar can go even with vinge in half tdf with a broken wrist and ridding with pain should tell you all you need to know about that.

Ofc people will look for narratives that makes them happy but this is just facts and last time vinge and pog went h2h in tour without roglic evidence is pretty clear to this is beyond stupid. Vinge nowhere near has the strenght nor endurance pog has(which is evident from the monuments where vinge cant even compete and get a top 10- lombardia) this doesnt mean vingegaard is a bad cyclist before fans with emotions comes in and get hurt. But the fact pog rode this years tour with 4 week prep and a broken wrist and ridding with pain and for the half of the tour is best should tell all you need to know.

Look no further than P-S this year if your actually curious about the lvl on equal footing.

Its far more enteraining to debate and enteratin the idea MVDP vs Pog in next flandern that on the other hand is very up in the air and something worth actually talking about.

This is top notch, we need more of this everywhere.

 

[tobydawq]

This is top notch, we need more of this everywhere.

Mmmm

 

[vwpe]

like genuin question. Someone breaks their wrist can only sit on a bike 4-5 weeks before the tour and you think hes at his best all regardles of whom you like you seriously think that? let alone riding with pain he said so long before he cracked on rest day not that it even needed to be said like..

If this is wishfull thinking then go with that narrative its not even worth answering totally fine by me. All im saying if your still somewhat uncertain(rest alone the cycling world is not and boss at jumbo i had a conversation with at the tour THIS year too said some interessting things that this is the year they feel they can win it when the lion is hurt they need to take advantage of that and they did with all respect.) Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts, in 2021 they rode on equal terms using 2023 as and example is ludicrous when we know he had broken his wrist and the lack of preporations he has thats beyond obvious and would be exactly the same for vingegaard or anyone else its like common sense from a neutral standpoint, again not hard...

Nvm this is well knowned if some people dont understand what a broken wrist and lack of training and not at least planned altitude training does then no point.
Go to P-N this year if you wanne see the strenght lvl its not really harder than that. Im more interested in flandern MVDP vs Pogacar thats debatable atm .

Oh and im not a fanboy im just someone with deep knowledge in the absolute inner circle of cycling I KNOW I KNOW that offend some people here for some reason who likes to draw their own narrative but rest assure Pogacar is already the best cyclist of all time(NOT greatest he has ways to go there and many more years on the bike if he wanne accomplish that) but theres never been anyone better walking this earth riding a bike than him! Wether or not you like that thats totally up to you and totally irrelevant i might add

- but yeah let me just say if someone doesnt like someone feelings tends to cloud peoples mind its okei its what we call in wall streeth sheeps and its not that uncommon in fact its more common than rare and i guess on a forum you find more of em ill leave it with that.

Ill be back just before the classics and ill drop a hint who will dominate again next year when we know their status going in if its gonne be , wva, mvdp or someone else look for my owl. All the best

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Oh and im not a fanboy im just someone with deep knowledge in the absolute inner circle of cycling

What do people say about fausto masnada? Jumbo wants to sign him?

 

[Lequack]

Thanks @vwpe , never change!

 

[Salvarani]

If pogacar didnt broke his wrist in LBL he woulda won the tour easy to just like he crushed vinge in paris nice thats the accurate lvl on their both h2h on equal footing. That pogacar can go even with vinge in half tdf with a broken wrist and ridding with pain should tell you all you need to know about that.

Ofc people will look for narratives that makes them happy but this is just facts and last time vinge and pog went h2h in tour without roglic evidence is pretty clear to this is beyond stupid. Vinge nowhere near has the strenght nor endurance pog has(which is evident from the monuments where vinge cant even compete and get a top 10- lombardia) this doesnt mean vingegaard is a bad cyclist before fans with emotions comes in and get hurt. But the fact pog rode this years tour with 4 week prep and a broken wrist and ridding with pain and for the half of the tour is best should tell all you need to know.

Look no further than P-S this year if your actually curious about the lvl on equal footing.

Its far more enteraining to debate and enteratin the idea MVDP vs Pog in next flandern that on the other hand is very up in the air and something worth actually talking about.

Well said.

 

[kn0s]

like genuin question. Someone breaks their wrist can only sit on a bike 4-5 weeks before the tour and you think hes at his best all regardles of whom you like you seriously think that? let alone riding with pain he said so long before he cracked on rest day not that it even needed to be said like..

If this is wishfull thinking then go with that narrative its not even worth answering totally fine by me. All im saying if your still somewhat uncertain(rest alone the cycling world is not and boss at jumbo i had a conversation with at the tour THIS year too said some interessting things that this is the year they feel they can win it when the lion is hurt they need to take advantage of that and they did with all respect.) Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts, in 2021 they rode on equal terms using 2023 as and example is ludicrous when we know he had broken his wrist and the lack of preporations he has thats beyond obvious and would be exactly the same for vingegaard or anyone else its like common sense from a neutral standpoint, again not hard...

Nvm this is well knowned if some people dont understand what a broken wrist and lack of training and not at least planned altitude training does then no point.
Go to P-N this year if you wanne see the strenght lvl its not really harder than that. Im more interested in flandern MVDP vs Pogacar thats debatable atm .

Oh and im not a fanboy im just someone with deep knowledge in the absolute inner circle of cycling I KNOW I KNOW that offend some people here for some reason who likes to draw their own narrative but rest assure Pogacar is already the best cyclist of all time(NOT greatest he has ways to go there and many more years on the bike if he wanne accomplish that) but theres never been anyone better walking this earth riding a bike than him! Wether or not you like that thats totally up to you and totally irrelevant i might add

- but yeah let me just say if someone doesnt like someone feelings tends to cloud peoples mind its okei its what we call in wall streeth sheeps and its not that uncommon in fact its more common than rare and i guess on a forum you find more of em ill leave it with that.

Ill be back just before the classics and ill drop a hint who will dominate again next year when we know their status going in if its gonne be , wva, mvdp or someone else look for my owl. All the best

Can ChatGPT process these posts so I can understand them better? These mad ramblings are entertaining, but I'm not sure I am getting all the juice out if them, when some of it is unintelligible.

 

[danielovichdk2]

What I can say is Pogacar was a little bit better than Vingegaard for one and half week in the Tour. His ceilling is not worse than Vingegaard and these are good news for him. With a better preparation, he can beat Vingegaard.

Pogacar will not win TdF again whole Jonas is present. Jonas has his number. Simple as that.

 

[danielovichdk2]

like genuin question. Someone breaks their wrist can only sit on a bike 4-5 weeks before the tour and you think hes at his best all regardles of whom you like you seriously think that? let alone riding with pain he said so long before he cracked on rest day not that it even needed to be said like..

If this is wishfull thinking then go with that narrative its not even worth answering totally fine by me. All im saying if your still somewhat uncertain(rest alone the cycling world is not and boss at jumbo i had a conversation with at the tour THIS year too said some interessting things that this is the year they feel they can win it when the lion is hurt they need to take advantage of that and they did with all respect.) Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts, in 2021 they rode on equal terms using 2023 as and example is ludicrous when we know he had broken his wrist and the lack of preporations he has thats beyond obvious and would be exactly the same for vingegaard or anyone else its like common sense from a neutral standpoint, again not hard...

Nvm this is well knowned if some people dont understand what a broken wrist and lack of training and not at least planned altitude training does then no point.
Go to P-N this year if you wanne see the strenght lvl its not really harder than that. Im more interested in flandern MVDP vs Pogacar thats debatable atm .

Oh and im not a fanboy im just someone with deep knowledge in the absolute inner circle of cycling I KNOW I KNOW that offend some people here for some reason who likes to draw their own narrative but rest assure Pogacar is already the best cyclist of all time(NOT greatest he has ways to go there and many more years on the bike if he wanne accomplish that) but theres never been anyone better walking this earth riding a bike than him! Wether or not you like that thats totally up to you and totally irrelevant i might add

- but yeah let me just say if someone doesnt like someone feelings tends to cloud peoples mind its okei its what we call in wall streeth sheeps and its not that uncommon in fact its more common than rare and i guess on a forum you find more of em ill leave it with that.

Ill be back just before the classics and ill drop a hint who will dominate again next year when we know their status going in if its gonne be , wva, mvdp or someone else look for my owl. All the best

I stopped reading when you wrote this

"Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts".

 

[danielovichdk2]

3rd, 1st, 1st, 2nd and 2nd... his days are over as a GT-rider. Only classics left for him now.

There is more truth to this than most people want to believe.

 

[Froome]

Pogacar will not win TdF again whole Jonas is present. Jonas has his number. Simple as that.

Jonas has his number but above all, jonas has the best numbers in GTs.