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danielovichdk2

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like genuin question. Someone breaks their wrist can only sit on a bike 4-5 weeks before the tour and you think hes at his best all regardles of whom you like you seriously think that? let alone riding with pain he said so long before he cracked on rest day not that it even needed to be said like..

If this is wishfull thinking then go with that narrative its not even worth answering totally fine by me. All im saying if your still somewhat uncertain(rest alone the cycling world is not and boss at jumbo i had a conversation with at the tour THIS year too said some interessting things that this is the year they feel they can win it when the lion is hurt they need to take advantage of that and they did with all respect.) Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts, in 2021 they rode on equal terms using 2023 as and example is ludicrous when we know he had broken his wrist and the lack of preporations he has thats beyond obvious and would be exactly the same for vingegaard or anyone else its like common sense from a neutral standpoint, again not hard...

Nvm this is well knowned if some people dont understand what a broken wrist and lack of training and not at least planned altitude training does then no point.
Go to P-N this year if you wanne see the strenght lvl its not really harder than that. Im more interested in flandern MVDP vs Pogacar thats debatable atm .

Oh and im not a fanboy im just someone with deep knowledge in the absolute inner circle of cycling I KNOW I KNOW that offend some people here for some reason who likes to draw their own narrative but rest assure Pogacar is already the best cyclist of all time(NOT greatest he has ways to go there and many more years on the bike if he wanne accomplish that) but theres never been anyone better walking this earth riding a bike than him! Wether or not you like that thats totally up to you and totally irrelevant i might add

- but yeah let me just say if someone doesnt like someone feelings tends to cloud peoples mind its okei its what we call in wall streeth sheeps and its not that uncommon in fact its more common than rare and i guess on a forum you find more of em ill leave it with that.

Ill be back just before the classics and ill drop a hint who will dominate again next year when we know their status going in if its gonne be , wva, mvdp or someone else look for my owl. All the best
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I stopped reading when you wrote this

"Vingegaard has NEVER beaten pog straight up thats not fanboyism thats facts".
 
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As a Vingegaard fan, I can't believe some people are writing Tadej off for TDF. He's the best rider in the world, no one in their right mind can claim otherwise.

Last 2 TDF's Tadej faced a superior team with a deplited team (2022) and a superior rider while he himself didn't have the optimal preparation (2023).

While it's impossible to assess their development over the next year (Jonas and Tadej), it's safe to say UEA are gonna be stronger next year. they have added Sivakov and they could potentially throw in Almeida/Ayuso as well (Both have a GT podium). Adam Yates performed superbly this year and will probably only get better.

I'm not saying he's the favourite, but to write him off completely is insane IMO.
 
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I wasn't too sure at first but you've convinced me now. It would be foolish to doubt such intimate knowledge.

In recorded cycling history it has almost never happened that a TDF champion, especially one winning more thab once, managed to later beat the upstart that dethroned him. Let alone when it happened twice.

What'll definitely never happen imo is that Vingegaard, Pogacar and Evenepoel (which granted it's not certain that he'd get to the necessary GT level) will distribute TDF wins between them. One, and likely two, of them will be left largely empty-handed.

Winning TDF is way more about consistent watts than monuments.

Wrist argument doesn't work for me because of Vingegaard's stunning ITT. Not sure Pogacar would even be capable of that.
 
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I wasn't too sure at first but you've convinced me now. It would be foolish to doubt such intimate knowledge.

In recorded cycling history it has almost never happened that a TDF champion, especially one winning more thab once, managed to later beat the upstart that dethroned him. Let alone when it happened twice.

What'll definitely never happen imo is that Vingegaard, Pogacar and Evenepoel (which granted it's not certain that he'd get to the necessary GT level) will distribute TDF wins between them. One, and likely two, of them will be left largely empty-handed.

Winning TDF is way more about consistent watts than monuments.

Wrist argument doesn't work for me because of Vingegaard's stunning ITT. Not sure Pogacar would even be capable of that.
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This can be a statistical outlier but of course it has some bearing. I'm not up to scrutinize the cases that make it up, but I'll just say that some of them are certainly age-related. One young rider was ascending, the other rider is on the decline from his ceiling. This is not the case with Pogi and Vingo.

I would go to Giro-Vuelta if was Pogacar. Making Vingo comfortable, not making the TDF an obssession that "spoils" the calendar. I think Pogi is also a star in the way he manages the pressure and granted that he has a choice in what races he goes to, it's much more interesting to vary his palmares right now than to go all-in to the TdF. Of course he has two good points in both of the TdFs he lost that give him a psychological cushion: huge tactical errors when pursuing Roglic (2022) and lack of base preparation + bad TT reading + possible illness.
 
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This can be a statistical outlier but of course it has some bearing. I'm not up to scrutinize the cases that make it up, but I'll just say that some of them are certainly age-related. One young rider was ascending, the other rider is on the decline from his ceiling. This is not the case with Pogi and Vingo.

I would go to Giro-Vuelta if was Pogacar. Making Vingo comfortable, not making the TDF an obssession that "spoils" the calendar. I think Pogi is also a star in the way he manages the pressure and granted that he has a choice in what races he goes to, it's much more interesting to vary his palmares right now than to go all-in to the TdF. Of course he has two good points in both of the TdFs he lost that give him a psychological cushion: huge tactical errors when pursuing Roglic (2022) and lack of base preparation + bad TT reading + possible illness.
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I'm curious about this "illness". I always thought the Mnt Blanc stage was a little strange, but never really figured out what happened. Any significant problems is probably not really realistic, when looking at his performance through the race, as I didn't see a block of underperforming, just instances.
 
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kn0s said:
I'm curious about this "illness". I always thought the Mnt Blanc stage was a little strange, but never really figured out what happened. Any significant problems is probably not really realistic, when looking at his performance through the race, as I didn't see a block of underperforming, just instances.
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Pogacar had a great threshold w/kg during the Tour, no doubts about it. His performances started to deteriorate from Mt Blanc stage though (the weakness wasn't exposed then yet but he cracked totally on Loze). His preparation, influenced by the broken wrist, could've been the cause.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogacar had a great threshold w/kg during the Tour, no doubts about it. His performances started to deteriorate from Mt Blanc stage though (the weakness wasn't exposed then yet but he cracked totally on Loze). His preparation, influenced by the broken wrist, could've been the cause.
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The performance of pogacar on Mt blanc was good in terms of numbers, just like he did a great ITT. If it wasn't for vingegaard he would have won the TT with a margin of 1 min and 13s to van aert.
He only had one bad day, because on stage of vosges , three days later, he was good and won the stage.
 
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Froome said:
The performance of pogacar on Mt blanc was good in terms of numbers, just like he did a great ITT. If it wasn't for vingegaard he would have won the TT with a margin of 1 min and 13s to van aert.
He only had one bad day, because on stage of vosges , three days later, he was good and won the stage.
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Joux-Plane was the last time Pogacar managed to get any gap on Vinge. Afterwards he attacked only once (Vosges) but totally lacked punch by then. It's clear that he worsened after JP (his ITT was still decent but Vinge's ITT was incredible).
 
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I’d like to see a comparison of w/kg in 3rd week vs 1st week. I’m still not bought into the theory that Vinge is winning by having less fatigue deep into a GT but rather that he’s at his absolute best at that point in the race. Yes Pog blowing on Loze and Granon is an example of fatigue/attrition but overall Vingegaard is his strongest at that point in the race it seems.
 
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I’d like to see a comparison of w/kg in 3rd week vs 1st week. I’m still not bought into the theory that Vinge is winning by having less fatigue deep into a GT but rather that he’s at his absolute best at that point in the race. Yes Pog blowing on Loze and Granon is an example of fatigue/attrition but overall Vingegaard is his strongest at that point in the race it seems.
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www.chronoswatts.com

Les watts du duel Vingegaard/Pogacar sur le TdF 2023, par Frédéric Portoleau

Sur le Tour de France 2023, le duel Vingegaard-Pogacar pour le classement général fut très indécis jusqu'au contre-la-montre de Combloux avec une lutte intense sur chaque étape de montagne. Cet article synthétise les performances réalisées par les 2 coureurs sur ce Tour 2023 ainsi qu'une...
www.chronoswatts.com www.chronoswatts.com
 
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2023 start in Spain, 2024 start in Portugal (according to the rumours) -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...in-portugal-at-the-figueira-champions-classic
Although he may not have secured himself his main goal of a third Tour de France title in 2023, Tadej Pogacar had a very impressive season regardless. In 2024, there are rumours of a change in goals and reportedly the UAE Team Emirates leader will begin his campaign in Portugal.

According to the Portuguese outlet, A Bola, "a source close to UAE Team Emirates," has told them that the current Slovenian National Champion will begin his 2024 season at the Figueira Champions Classic (10th of February) and the Volta ao Algarve (from 14 to 18 February).
 
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2023 start in Spain, 2024 start in Portugal (according to the rumours) -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...in-portugal-at-the-figueira-champions-classic
Although he may not have secured himself his main goal of a third Tour de France title in 2023, Tadej Pogacar had a very impressive season regardless. In 2024, there are rumours of a change in goals and reportedly the UAE Team Emirates leader will begin his campaign in Portugal.

According to the Portuguese outlet, A Bola, "a source close to UAE Team Emirates," has told them that the current Slovenian National Champion will begin his 2024 season at the Figueira Champions Classic (10th of February) and the Volta ao Algarve (from 14 to 18 February).
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If that's true he skips UAE Tour again.
If it was up to me he should just start with Strade Bianche with altitude training before.
 
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You will care next year while witnessing two of the most boring GTs in last 20 years…

Pog doing Giro and skipping Tour is a terrible idea and I fail to see anyone benefitting from that - except maybe TJV and Vingegaard.
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No, I truly wont.

I think a Giro-win would a good thing for Pog, if he can win. He has been going twice against Vingegaard now and lost. Let someone else give it a go. Pog is young enough to win another Tour later, he has already won it twice anyway. Lets see what they decide. He could still end up going. Why do you care?

Is Roglic not good enough, eh? You dont believe in your guy?

Stop being so pessimistic. The race is not until about 10 months from now. Anything could happen.
 
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