Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Blanco]

Pogacar won't do Giro in 2024, but if he did, he's not admitting he 'regressed' as a GT rider, he just want to win Giro.

Contador was the best in the world in 2010 and 2011 he went to win an epic Giro, because he wanted to.

Contador was the best in the world, but Pogacar isn't, at least in Grand Tours. Contador wanted to do the double, but failed. Pogacar won't even bother to try.

 

[Panda Claws]

Roglic handily beating Vingegaard does lead me to conclude that his form was likely better.

Also Giro is beautiful but it's the indie film to the blockbuster that is The Tour of France.
The Vuelta is the B-movie that can be (un)ironically better than the blockbuster sometimes.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Quite easily, cause he was the strongest rider there...

OK, the guy who struggles to put time to enric mas and ajuso with his attacks was stronger than the guy who out 40s on everybody in tourmalet and 1 minute on everybody in Bejes. Lol.

The hierarchy in GT racing at the moment is very clearly Vingegard > Pogacar > Roglic > the rest ( Yates, Yates, Kuss, remco, ajuso etc). It has been like this for 18 months. Maybe it will change in 2024.

 

[BigCoward]

He can't go to the Giro until he bests JV at the tour. Its running away however you slice it.

 

[veganrob]

Vingegaard wouldn't let that happen.

You're right about that. We would have had a real race then. Not some stupid bickering procession to let Kuss win. What a shitty Vuelta.

 

[Panda Claws]

This year's Vuelta was all about good vibes.

 

[Blanco]

OK, the guy who struggles to put time to enric mas and ajuso with his attacks was stronger than the guy who out 40s on everybody in tourmalet and 1 minute on everybody in Bejes. Lol.

The hierarchy in GT racing at the moment is very clearly Vingegard > Pogacar > Roglic > the rest ( Yates, Yates, Kuss, remco, ajuso etc). It has been like this for 18 months. Maybe it will change in 2024.

He didn't struggle to put time on them on Javalambre and Angliru, did he?
Seriously, you know cycling too much, to post such silly claims. You know damn well that Vingegaard gain time on Roglic mostly on tactical decisions by the team.
I'm aware that you don't like Roglic very much, but that doesn't mean you can't see things objectively. And objectively, Roglic was at least as strong as Vingegaard in this Vuelta.

About the hierarchy in GT racing, I generally agree.

 

[Netserk]

Contador was the best in the world in 2010 and 2011 he went to win an epic Giro, because he wanted to.

His first two Giri were the result of (the risk of) not being able to ride the Tour. 2015 is the better example.

 

[tobydawq]

OK, the guy who struggles to put time to enric mas and ajuso with his attacks was stronger than the guy who out 40s on everybody in tourmalet and 1 minute on everybody in Bejes. Lol.

The hierarchy in GT racing at the moment is very clearly Vingegard > Pogacar > Roglic > the rest ( Yates, Yates, Kuss, remco, ajuso etc). It has been like this for 18 months. Maybe it will change in 2024.

Yes, everybody did their utmost to limit their losses on Bejes. Lol.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Contador, however, won his first Giro in 2008, because his team was excluded from the Tour and then went in 2014 thinking a sanction could have prevented his presence at the French race. In 2015 it was a gamble against the Tour, by then dominated by Sky. The point is had Contador not had such issues, he likely would have gambled everything on increasing his Tour wins.

I might be misremembering, but it seems like there was a lot of pressure from his ridiculous sponsor, Olev Tinkoff, to try to win all 3 GTs in a year or maybe in a row after winning the 2014 Vuelta?

After beating Froome in that Vuelta and putting up prime numbers all year, in retrospect he absolutely should have targeted the Tour. Instead, he won that Giro 2023 Roglic style, battered and bruised and showing signs of weakness, in no way in optimal shape for the Tour. It’s actually kind of amazing he got fifth, especially the way that race played out.

 

[Extinction]

I might be misremembering, but it seems like there was a lot of pressure from his ridiculous sponsor, Olev Tinkoff, to try to win all 3 GTs in a year or maybe in a row after winning the 2014 Vuelta?

After beating Froome in that Vuelta and putting up prime numbers all year, in retrospect he absolutely should have targeted the Tour. Instead, he won that Giro 2023 Roglic style, battered and bruised and showing signs of weakness, in no way in optimal shape for the Tour. It’s actually kind of amazing he got fifth, especially the way that race played out.

The pressure to win 3 GTs came before, with Riis at Saxo Bank

 

[saunaking]

Also Giro is beautiful but it's the indie film

Until they decided 200km is too long

 

[Rob5091]

2023 start in Spain, 2024 start in Portugal (according to the rumours) -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...in-portugal-at-the-figueira-champions-classic
Although he may not have secured himself his main goal of a third Tour de France title in 2023, Tadej Pogacar had a very impressive season regardless. In 2024, there are rumours of a change in goals and reportedly the UAE Team Emirates leader will begin his campaign in Portugal.

According to the Portuguese outlet, A Bola, "a source close to UAE Team Emirates," has told them that the current Slovenian National Champion will begin his 2024 season at the Figueira Champions Classic (10th of February) and the Volta ao Algarve(from 14 to 18 February).

Don't book those hotel rooms yet!
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...gacar-not-yet-decided-says-uaes-joxean-matxin
"This week it was reported that Tadej Pogacar will start the 2024 season in Portugal with the Figueira Champions Classic and the Volta ao Algarve. While this may still happen, Joxean Matxin dismisses the idea that it is set in stone.
In words given to Ciclismo Mundial, UAE Team Emirates manager Joxean Matxin stated that a decision hasn't yet been made on where the supertalent will start his next year when it comes to racing."
Source -
https://www.ciclismomundialblog.com...igueira-e-no-algarve-ainda-nao-esta-decidido/

 

[Panda Claws]

Don't book those hotel rooms yet!
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...gacar-not-yet-decided-says-uaes-joxean-matxin
"This week it was reported that Tadej Pogacar will start the 2024 season in Portugal with the Figueira Champions Classic and the Volta ao Algarve. While this may still happen, Joxean Matxin dismisses the idea that it is set in stone.
In words given to Ciclismo Mundial, UAE Team Emirates manager Joxean Matxin stated that a decision hasn't yet been made on where the supertalent will start his next year when it comes to racing."
Source -
https://www.ciclismomundialblog.com...igueira-e-no-algarve-ainda-nao-esta-decidido/

Just please no UAE Tour.

Or, I mean, unless it is specifically good for preparation.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar discusses his season and plans, some interesting quotes:

“For sure the main goal in 2024 will be the Tour de France,”
"I don’t eat people… I don’t think I’m a cannibal like Merckx,” (slight dig at Eddy )
"There’s only one thing I’d change: my crash at Liege-Bastogne-Liege. Without my fractured wrist, my season would have been perfect"
"I think that in the best-case scenario, I could have gone 40 seconds faster, but not more." (his TdF ITT analysis, confirming that Skeletor was ridiculously strong on that day)

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tadej-pogacar-i-dont-think-im-a-cannibal-like-merckx/

 

[Rob5091]

Can we pencil in Pogacar's return to Strade Bianchi (and along with a host of other Tour hopefuls)?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Can we pencil in Pogacar's return to Strade Bianchi (and along with a host of other Tour hopefuls)?

Yeah, hopefully Pog gets back to his Italian schedule from 2021-2022: Strade, TA and then San Remo.

 

[Salvarani]

Giro not ruled out.

 

[sevenall]

Ahahahaha. Jasper Philipsen and Tadej Pogačar. Apparently TdF Singapore critérium tomorrow.

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[rokovski]

Pogacar will not win TdF again whole Jonas is present. Jonas has his number. Simple as that.

Pog will get a lot of Tour titles, but few years after... this debate is for another subform. 😅

 

[Salvarani]

Pog will get a lot of Tour titles, but few years after... this debate is for another subform. 😅

Like Bartali, he will come back to reclaim and win a few titles.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Ahahahaha. Jasper Philipsen and Tadej Pogačar. Apparently TdF Singapore critérium tomorrow.

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First Pogacar talks with WVA behind MVDP’s back and now has the audacity to talk with MVDP’s own teammate behind his back smh.

 

[Lequack]

Ahahahaha. Jasper Philipsen and Tadej Pogačar. Apparently TdF Singapore critérium tomorrow.

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And when he rides, people want to get off

 

[magliaroz]

First Pogacar talks with WVA behind MVDP’s back and now has the audacity to talk with MVDP’s own teammate behind his back smh.

I mean, Tadej was Jaspers teammate first, how does this work? 🤔

 

[SHAD0W93]

I mean, Tadej was Jaspers teammate first, how does this work? 🤔

Same way it worked that Pogacar and WVA were conspiring against MVDP during the spring classics. Philipsen’s allegiances should be with MVDP now.


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