Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

That would be scary if such a thing ever existed. You could make a strong argument for Merckx.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Nice interview, if rather fluffy. The part about Vingegaard and the monuments was interesting . Interviewer keeps asking about TdF 2024.

View: https://youtu.be/wV2wvz850-M?feature=shared

 

[KZD]

Nice interview, if rather fluffy. The part about Vingegaard and the monuments was interesting . Interviewer keeps asking about TdF 2024.

View: https://youtu.be/wV2wvz850-M?feature=shared

Just watched it

The main takeaway from this interview is Pogačar saying that the biggest career goals that he is still missing are the Giro, the Vuelta and the World Championships which shows that he is aware of how difficult will be winning Sanremo and Roubaix (also the Olympics for a different reason).

Regarding the interviewer, I didn't like him constantly insisting in talking about the Tour including saying things like 'the race that the sponsors really care about is the Tour' as if Pogačar was some neopro that needed to be reminded of that...

 

[Elos Anjos]

He's learning probably with remco in giving good excuses. That's the part i like less in some important cycling riders (it's not just pogacar or remco), the excuses they always find when they lose some race.

Quite delusional that you are on your assessments. A rider breaking a wrist now is an excuse and not an objective fact that hindered his preparation. Having multiple objectives besides the Tour and being sucessful in them is an excuse to performing not so well at the Tour. Sean Kelly was already pointing at this lack of base form before Pogi's demise "I'm dead, I'm gone".

 

[RunningRouleur]

Pogi should do some Classics (Strade, MSR, RVV, LBL) AND the Giro 2024 and then come into the Tour with an already dominant season under his belt. He can still be good in July off of the Giro, which he can win without being in top form.

 

[Rob5091]

I suppose Pogacar will repeat this years racing in Spain in February next year with some gravel training and racing at Jaén Paraiso and then Andalucia Ruta del sol.

 

[scribers]

Pogi should do some Classics (Strade, MSR, RVV, LBL) AND the Giro 2024 and then come into the Tour with an already dominant season under his belt. He can still be good in July off of the Giro, which he can win without being in top form.

Yes! I would steer him away from Flanders this year as he would have to maintain a very high level for three months including the Giro. Perhaps a little time off. He can take up Flanders and P-R after a few years, assuming he’s satisfied with his TdF career at that point

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Teddy is so good that normally he can win Flandres and Tour in one year. However, his biggest Tour rival is arguably the best GT rider of this century, which makes things more complicated. Would it help if the Slovenian focused on Tour only? We don't know but his current race calendar seems optimal for his talents.

 

[Froome]

Quite delusional that you are on your assessments. A rider breaking a wrist now is an excuse and not an objective fact that hindered his preparation. Having multiple objectives besides the Tour and being sucessful in them is an excuse to performing not so well at the Tour. Sean Kelly was already pointing at this lack of base form before Pogi's demise "I'm dead, I'm gone".

Sean kelly is the same guy that yesterday talked the "bullsh**" of too much vertical meters in today's Tour de france era, that can lead to "clinical issues", maybe you are inspired by the bullsh** he says.

Pogacar's coach and pogacar's general manager already said that pogacar doing the classics is not a problem for is shape at the tour, it's the opposite. So, i think they know better about that issue, than you.

Another point, pogacar already said this week that he could never beat Vingegaard on that TT at the Tour de france, so now he is contradicting himself.
Pogacar did the best numbers of his life except for the La loze stage, pogacar's coach already said he was in great shape in the first 2 weeks, so there's no indications that he wasn't at his best in the Tour, except for La loze stage, but he could never win the Tour on that stage, after what happened in the TT.


The best riders like to protect themselves when they lose, and they always speak about some "excuses" to justify they're defeats. It's not just pogacar.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Sean kelly is the same guy that yesterday talked the "bullsh**" of too much vertical meters in today's Tour de france era, that can lead to "clinical issues", maybe you are inspired by the bullsh** he says.

Pogacar's coach and pogacar's general manager already said that pogacar doing the classics is not a problem for is shape at the tour, it's the opposite. So, i think they know better about that issue, than you.

Another point, pogacar already said this week that he could never beat Vingegaard on that TT at the Tour de france, so now he is contradicting himself.
Pogacar did the best numbers of his life except for the La loze stage, pogacar's coach already said he was in great shape in the first 2 weeks, so there's no indications that he wasn't at his best in the Tour, except for La loze stage, but he could never win the Tour on that stage, after what happened in the TT.


The best riders like to protect themselves when they lose, and they always speak about some "excuses" to justify they're defeats. It's not just pogacar.

Maybe you can grow up and attempt building an argument around the insight voiced by Sean Kelly that proved to be pretty accurante...instead of making an ad hominem about him.

Pogi never focused solely on the Tour like Vingo. And there's a reason why Vingo does it. So this is all about Pogi's personality and the way he loves to race and face new challenges.

Now you keep writing on the same lame "excuses" point as a general way of riders coping with failrues. But there's a difference in providing a reason for failures and providing a reason for failures being labeled an excuse a priori.

 

[Jan the Man]

This is not mutually exclusive, he can be doing his best top end numbers and also be hindered by being exclusively on a turbo for 5/6 weeks after liege.

To suggest that it wasn't a sub-optimal prep is naive. That is of course not to say that even if he had an optimal prep he would have beaten Jonas. Jonas's numbers and particular performance in the TT suggest he would have been unbeatable even if Pogi had optimal prep

 

[Froome]

Maybe you can grow up and attempt building an argument around the insight voiced by Sean Kelly that proved to be pretty accurante...instead of making an ad hominem about him.

Pogi never focused solely on the Tour like Vingo. And there's a reason why Vingo does it. So this is all about Pogi's personality and the way he loves to race and face new challenges.

Now you keep writing on the same lame "excuses" point as a general way of riders coping with failrues. But there's a difference in providing a reason for failures and providing a reason for failures being labeled an excuse a priori.

The guy that is constantly banned in this forum(but you improved in the last weeks), saying to other users to "grown up", you are the joke of this forum 😂

San millan and gianneti know better about pogacar than Sean kelly certainly.

 

[Elos Anjos]

The guy that is constantly banned in this forum(but you improved in the last weeks), saying to other users to "grown up", you are the joke of this forum 😂

San millan and gianneti know better about pogacar than Sean kelly certainly.

Sure, just don't get too nervous or too personal, it takes away your good judgement and you begin to sound like a lunatic.

Sean Kelly was actually a racer in GTs and so he has internal knowledge that allowed him to reach the same conclusion that UAE staff only arrived at post facto.

 

[Bolder]

Invective aside, if Pog did a traditional TdF buildup without the classics , I do believe he would have a better chance in July. For one, he'd be traveling less and focusing more on training. He's so good that he's expected to be a contender in every race he enters, so he races a bunch of classics to win rather than as part of a training program. Then he's got to recover from those efforts.

Another point is that week-long stage races offer a wide variety terrain, so he could aim for a TT or medium mountains etc.

 

[scribers]

Let's all hope Pog doesn't alter his Spring campaign just to challenge Vingo in July. Pog has already won two tours and two times second. How boring a career he has and fans of cycling would have if these guys only race in July.

 

[scribers]

There may not be better time than this year for him to try the Giro/Tour double. Vingo is going to have his hands full covering attacks for at least 3 credible challengers and perhaps another handful that could 'Kuss' their way into a large lead from a break.

 

[Blanco]

Sean kelly is the same guy that yesterday talked the "bullsh**" of too much vertical meters in today's Tour de france era, that can lead to "clinical issues", maybe you are inspired by the bullsh** he says.

Pogacar's coach and pogacar's general manager already said that pogacar doing the classics is not a problem for is shape at the tour, it's the opposite. So, i think they know better about that issue, than you.

Another point, pogacar already said this week that he could never beat Vingegaard on that TT at the Tour de france, so now he is contradicting himself.
Pogacar did the best numbers of his life except for the La loze stage, pogacar's coach already said he was in great shape in the first 2 weeks, so there's no indications that he wasn't at his best in the Tour, except for La loze stage, but he could never win the Tour on that stage, after what happened in the TT.


The best riders like to protect themselves when they lose, and they always speak about some "excuses" to justify they're defeats. It's not just pogacar.

Sean Kelly is famous for being a fantastic bike racer.
Pogacar's general manager is famous for clinical issues...

 

[Salvarani]

Sean Kelly is famous for being a fantastic bike racer.
Pogacar's general manager is famous for clinical issues...

Just like your avi

 

[Cookster15]

I tend to think what caused him grief last year was his LBL crash, wrist injury and interrupted TdF preparation - not racing the spring classics.

The LBL crash meant he lost condition and recovery which cost him big time on stage 17.

 

[Bolder]

I tend to think what caused him grief last year was his LBL crash, wrist injury and interrupted TdF preparation - not racing the spring classics.

The LBL crash meant he lost condition and recovery which cost him big time on stage 17.

Maybe, but he also lost to Vingegaard in 2021.

I think the question is whether a different approach would make a difference. If he doesn't race LBL but spends his time training or uses an easier race as training, then maybe he doesn't crash.

Personally I prefer that he does as many classics as he wants, but he shouldn't expect to be better in the Tour than in previous years with the same schedule.

 

[Rob5091]

I read somewhere that Pogacar will probably not do the Olympics as the course does not really suit him (in other words too short climbs). Vuelta and World Championships next year maybe?

 

[Wyndbrook]

Personally I hope he continues to ride and win the races he wants to.

 

[Rob5091]

The Teddy & Juan TdF leadership fun and games have begun. (let's hope Solar also does the TdF - pure entertainment!)
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-has-wishes-but-they-dont-come-true-so-easily
“I think he is growing up as a rider, as a person also. He has a super level, but the management need to decide for him what he is going to do, because everybody has wishes but they don’t come true so easily," Pogacar said of his teammate in an interview with GCN.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pogacar is a gentleman and has no time to deal with this typical Spanish bravado.

 

[Salvarani]

Pogacar is a gentleman and has no time to deal with this typical Spanish bravado.

In Ayusos case it is probably a bit of American knuckleheadness as well.