Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Being a top contender it's different from being at your best in your main goal of the season. If he does the Giro, he will not be at his best in the Tour/ his main goal as you said it.

Normally when a rider selects his main goal, he goes to that goal in his peak shape.
Or rides themselves into it. I believe he can win the Giro even if he goes into it more undercooked than he should be. Vingegaard was the best (or at the very least equal best) at the Vuelta last year with essentially the Tour as his preparation.

One question...is RCS paying UAE an appearance fee for Pogacar? Apologize if this has been addressed.
 
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Or rides themselves into it. I believe he can win the Giro even if he goes into it more undercooked than he should be. Vingegaard was the best (or at the very least equal best) at the Vuelta last year with essentially the Tour as his preparation.

One question...is RCS paying UAE an appearance fee for Pogacar? Apologize if this has been addressed.
The Giro is a three week race that tires to much, it's very dificult to be in top shape in the Tour with the giro in the legs. Froome tried that (even going undercooked to the Giro)¹, and was not successful, contador the same, and others since pantani.

I disagree with Vingegaard being at his best in the vuelta, i think he was at 90 or 95%(by the last week of the vuelta) of his Tour shape.

RCS probably is paying something to pogacar.
 
Or rides themselves into it. I believe he can win the Giro even if he goes into it more undercooked than he should be. Vingegaard was the best (or at the very least equal best) at the Vuelta last year with essentially the Tour as his preparation.

One question...is RCS paying UAE an appearance fee for Pogacar? Apologize if this has been addressed.
no one can know if he’s being paid. But yes. It’s widely understood rcs pays participation fees to riders and/or teams
 
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The Giro is a three week race that tires to too much, it's very dificult to be in top shape in the Tour with the giro in the legs. Froome tried that (even going undercooked to the Giro)¹, and was not successful, contador the same, and others since pantani.

I disagree with Vingegaard being at his best in the vuelta, i think he was at 90 or 95%(by the last week of the vuelta) of his Tour shape.

RCS probably is paying something to pogacar.
Pogi thrives in experimenting new environments. It's the 5th time he will go to the Tour and every time he had a different approach.
 
The Giro is a three week race that tires to much, it's very dificult to be in top shape in the Tour with the giro in the legs. Froome tried that (even going undercooked to the Giro)¹, and was not successful, contador the same, and others since pantani.

I disagree with Vingegaard being at his best in the vuelta, i think he was at 90 or 95%(by the last week of the vuelta) of his Tour shape.

RCS probably is paying something to pogacar.
Perhaps the most impressive recent Giro-Tour double performance is Dumoulin's 2nd places in 2018.
 
Very, very charming!

Favourite parts: all the food (Slovenian eggs, dried persimmons, the scones that didn't rise), the fan leaning his bike incorrectly (frame against bricks/mortar) and Stephens taking the sprint.

Also confirmed that Pogačar was a bit sick in Il Lombardia; Swedish commentators thought he might have been.
Also interesting, didn't hear it before: Pog suggested his breakdown on Col de la Loze was (partly) caused by overeating (I think he mentioned he tried to get 140g of carbohydrates instead of 120g). By eating too much, his stomach blocked and didn't take up any food.
In general, he sounded like he is busy with his nutrition, not just only following instructions from his dietist but also doing research himself. You have to train your body a lot to take up so much food.
 
The Giro is a three week race that tires to much, it's very dificult to be in top shape in the Tour with the giro in the legs. Froome tried that (even going undercooked to the Giro)¹, and was not successful, contador the same, and others since pantani.

I disagree with Vingegaard being at his best in the vuelta, i think he was at 90 or 95%(by the last week of the vuelta) of his Tour shape.

RCS probably is paying something to pogacar.

Doumulin (a rider that I loved but much more less talented and young that Pogacar at that time) in 2018 did 2nd both in Giro and Tour. That Giro was really hard with Zoncolan, Finestre and many other mountain stages.

I think that Pogacar can win both.
One year ago Pogi, not at his best because of the Liege crash, did second at Tour defeating largerly all the other contenders but Vingegaard in an incredible shape.

It's not always sure that Vinge can be that shape or not have problems...
 
Doumulin (a rider that I loved but much more less talented and young that Pogacar at that time) in 2018 did 2nd both in Giro and Tour. That Giro was really hard with Zoncolan, Finestre and many other mountain stages.

I think that Pogacar can win both.
One year ago Pogi, not at his best because of the Liege crash, did second at Tour defeating largerly all the other contenders but Vingegaard in an incredible shape.

It's not always sure that Vinge can be that shape or not have problems...
The problem is vinge. If he didn't exist I think many would believe in pogs bid for the double, because of what you said. Its just that if vinge shows up in his usual form and doesn't have major mishaps, it's hard to see - if he does, handling roglic, evenepoel etc. might still be tough, but seems a lot more doable.
 
Doumulin (a rider that I loved but much more less talented and young that Pogacar at that time) in 2018 did 2nd both in Giro and Tour. That Giro was really hard with Zoncolan, Finestre and many other mountain stages.

I think that Pogacar can win both.
One year ago Pogi, not at his best because of the Liege crash, did second at Tour defeating largerly all the other contenders but Vingegaard in an incredible shape.

It's not always sure that Vinge can be that shape or not have problems...
In 2018 the break between Giro and Tour was 1 week longer than in normal seasons, making the double slightly easier. There was also no hard GC stages until stage 11 in that Tour. Very different to this year.

Plus of course the rivals of Pogacar are much stronger than the rivals of Dumolin.

I do think that Pogacar will be competitive in both GTs, but winning le tour will be impossible unless his rivals are involved in incidents or get their preparation wrong
 
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I will repeat again, because clearly you have some problems of comprehension.

Pogacar was courageous when he tried to win the Tour Flandres, and he was successful.

Pogacar is not courageous by doing giro and the tour. It's not a courageous thing for him, and not even for roglic or vingegaard.

He is not gonna face proper competition on the giro, and like i said, it's a race that suits him well.

After his most probably victory in the Giro, nobody will point his finger to pogacar if he loses the Tour, because he already will be with one GT victory. So, it's not a courageous thing, go to a race that suits him well, without proper competition, and that can be a very good justification for pogacar losing again the Tour. Yes, this time, the Giro will be a fair justification for pogacar not winning the Tour again.


He would be courageous if tried Paris roubaix or other race that doesn't suit him well.....and no, i also don't think vingegaard is a courageous guy, or remco, roglic are courageous guys in terms of what races they will do next year.
But it IS courageous to try and win BOTH Giro and Tour. For it's historically the ultimate test in GT racing, until somebody, somehow, manages the triple crown. Once upon a time the greats of cycling, had to win the Giro-Tour double to enter the pantheon of the sport. In the modern age the Tour has become such an overbearing focus that a Giro-Tour double has become an overstretch. That Pantani was the last to achieve it in 98, alone says how courageous Pogacar is for attempting it now.
 
The problem is vinge. If he didn't exist I think many would believe in pogs bid for the double, because of what you said. Its just that if vinge shows up in his usual form and doesn't have major mishaps, it's hard to see - if he does, handling roglic, evenepoel etc. might still be tough, but seems a lot more doable.
The Vingegaard as Bogeyman belief, which I subscribe to as well if he comes to the Tour in 2024 in the same form as 2023, doesn't only spell likely doom for a Pogacar double, it also makes a sole-focused Tour bid highly unlikely. So why not do the Giro first?

As for the other contenders, I have a hard time imagining a scenario where Pogacar beats Vingegaard but can't see off the challenge from Roglic and Remco, even if the Dane fails to finish the race.
 
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But it IS courageous to try and win BOTH Giro and Tour. For it's historically the ultimate test in GT racing, until somebody, somehow, manages the triple crown. Once upon a time the greats of cycling, had to win the Giro-Tour double to enter the pantheon of the sport. In the modern age the Tour has become such an overbearing focus that a Giro-Tour double has become an overstretch. That Pantani was the last to achieve it in 98, alone says how courageous Pogacar is for attempting it now.
My suggestion to settle your disagreement is to simply refrain—unless you’re talking about Gino Bartali saving lives and other pros who rode bikes for the resistance during WWII—from ever using the word courageous to describe pro cyclists. Yes, they takes risks with their racing and their race schedules—just as we all takes risks in our jobs or livelihoods. Maybe you can say it’s ballsy of Pogacar to tackle his proposed scheduled, but that’s what he seems to like to do and wants to do. That’s just good living, trying to make the most of what he’s got.
 
In 2018 the break between Giro and Tour was 1 week longer than in normal seasons, making the double slightly easier. There was also no hard GC stages until stage 11 in that Tour. Very different to this year.

Plus of course the rivals of Pogacar are much stronger than the rivals of Dumolin.

I do think that Pogacar will be competitive in both GTs, but winning le tour will be impossible unless his rivals are involved in incidents or get their preparation wrong
So who will Pogacar's likely rivals in the Giro be? Geraint Thomas - who else?

We know the 2024 Giro parcours is much easier with much less climbing. If the competition isn't as strong then it might give Pogi a sliver of hope if he starts the Giro underdone and can win without going too deep? The other thing not talked about much is physiological trajectory. Pog will still be only 26 next year (Vingegaard will be 28).

Pogacar is targeting the Giro but withing nothing to lose at the Tour. I think he still has a chance to at least give Vingegaard a scare in the TdF. Likely he won't have the interruption of a broken wrist. Stage 4 will be interesting.
 
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I believe that it's courageous to undertake an ambitious endeavour with risks of failure so grave that they'd dissuade most men.
 
You continue to humiliate yourself boy. I didn't write a single post in july, in this forum 😂

It's funny you are talking about childful statements, yesterday you called me "dumb ass" and then you deleted the post with fear of getting banned again 😂

Please, stop embarrassing yourself, and stop quote me, you can't have a decent conversation.
Hmm...I didn't delete anything...but I confess that I have a weak spot for punching bags like your posts :)