Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[mou]

I wonder where Bruynel got this information about the TT in Valencia, Ayuso 33:40, Pog 32:44 or one of the greatest minds in cycling transcribes it from @mou as relevant and the average forum member dismisses this information with a sneer and as false, what a strange world

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pogacar wasn't seen as this kinda talent in u23s or juniors. He was just very good, nowhere close to a rider you'd think was gonna be an all time great by the time he's 25. This was a guy who got out punched by Ivan Sosa repeatedly in his Avenir win and then within a year was already matching one of the most explosive GC riders of recent times.

He was already seen as a great prospect before his Avenir win, and if UAE hadn't signed him, a different WT team would've (we already know that Matxin had made Qucik Step aware of his potential). His performance in the 2017 (and 18) Tour of Slovenia is also one I rate higher than his Avenir win, since it came against WT riders.

The rise of Pogačar has of course given Matxin a better reputation and made it easier for UAE to sign further talents, but those talents have not exactly been hiding in plain sight.

 

[Roku]

a funny race, for amateurs, not demanding, a race where you can't make a difference, where a man who is 15th in terms of quality and strength in the race can beat the strongest in the race because this one can't show that strength, do I need to continue or is it enough 😉 😉

Man, cycling is not all about raw strength. It's also about positioning, bike handling skills, tactics, team, dynamics and a bit of luck. That's part of its beauty.

 

[mou]

Already in 2015 and until 2017 , Patrick Lefevere 's Etixx-Quick Step in the UCI WorldTour category was hired by the most victorious team of 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 , to develop scouting functions. He being, professionally, the first cycling Scouting Talent .

It is in October 2017 when the UAE Team Emirates makes official the signing of Joxean Fernández 'Matxin' as Sport Manager of the team, first of all, he has had words of gratitude for what was his home for the last three years, the Quick team Step Floors, where he has played the role of scout in search of young talents with the philosophy of incorporating them into a team that has more than half the staff under 26 years of age: “I am very grateful, very much, for the trust and affection that Patrick Lefevere and the whole team have always shown me. He left great friends there, great people who have made me feel at home. Part of my heart stays there. “I have been very comfortable, but sometimes in life you have to accept the challenges that arise.” Patrick Lefevere responds the first on social networks to his farewell with: "It was a pleasure to work with you work results 99.99%."
2019, Tadej Pogačar, a Slovenian rider who won the Tour de l'Avenir, joins the team. Matxin thus manages to meet again with a rider whom he discovered in juniors and who could not take to Quick-Step during his scouting period. (4) The season concludes with 29 wins for UAE Team Emirates, including 3 stage wins and podium for Pogacar in the Vuelta a España.

In 2020, the policy established by Matxin of signing the best young players available is even accentuated (McNulty, Covi, Bjerg, Ardila...). The UAE Team Emirates team reaches 33 victories. Under his direction Pogacar wins the first Tour de France.
2022, the feeling is conveyed from the squad led by Matxin that they still want more. Big signings arrive to keep the team at the top and the commitment to young people continues with new talents that arrive from the hand of Matxin such as Juan Ayuso.

 

[CHGJ2000]

He was already seen as a great prospect before his Avenir win, and if UAE hadn't signed him, a different WT team would've (we already know that Matxin had made Qucik Step aware of his potential). His performance in the 2017 (and 18) Tour of Slovenia is also one I rate higher than his Avenir win, since it came against WT riders.

The rise of Pogačar has of course given Matxin a better reputation and made it easier for UAE to sign further talents, but those talents have not exactly been hiding in plain sight.

Great prospect yes, but there's quite a big leap between great prospect and what we have now. If you asked someone to rate the best young prospect going pro in 2019, I can be pretty sure virtually no one would have said Pog and in that two year period he certainly wasn't the best rider coming out of u23s either, Bernal was.

For sure tho, they've mostly signed talents that are obviously very good, they've had a pretty great hit rate at those very good young talents actually becoming very good elite riders tho.

 

[mou]

and let me tell you right away, he discovered Almeida when he was a scout in Quickstep and later signed him for the UAE, as much as I consider him a desperate DS, he is such an excellent scout

 

[mou]

and let me tell you right away, he discovered Almeida when he was a scout in Quickstep and later signed him for the UAE, as much as I consider him a desperate DS, he is such an excellent scout

let's not talk about Del Toro and Morgado, with whom he had contacts when they were 17 years old, do you know that Del Toro took Avenir on Colnago and that Matxin took care of everything he needed, a nutritionist, etc.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Great prospect yes, but there's quite a big leap between great prospect and what we have now. If you asked someone to rate the best young prospect going pro in 2019, I can be pretty sure virtually no one would have said Pog and in that two year period he certainly wasn't the best rider coming out of u23s either, Bernal was.

Sure, but I was purely talking about his performance as a scout. Whatever happened to Pogačar after he signed with UAE was not a part of the scouting process and therefore not just a result of Matxin's work.

 

[ppanther92]

the only ciciban race among these classics is San Remo, it's a shame that nowadays it's a monument and the Strada is not, I'm not interested in history and what happened around 1964 and people's nostalgia, I'm talking realistically

Looking at the top 10 from yesterday, this makes no sense though. High profile riders only. No random names at all. Just because Pogacar does not have the best suited skill-set - i.e., downhill and sprinting for example, does not mean its a "ciciban" race...

 

[Berniece]

I wonder where Bruynel got this information about the TT in Valencia, or one of the greatest minds in cycling transcribes it from @mou as relevant

Also one of the biggest cheaters, and charlatans in cycling. What does that say?

 

[mou]

that is Matxin's masterpiece because Pog became what he is despite the ignorant coach San Millan, now imagine how genius Matxin is as a scout when he succeeded, and Pog achieved everything with work and talent, certainly not with the work of the coach, for Pog 2024 we can say that the coach's work is deserved, but about that later, you will all soon see what Sola has turned him into

 

[scribers]

" it still looked like they shot themselves in the foot a bit."
Did n't UAE try the same thing last year and still did n't win? What's that old definition of madness about doing the same thing over and over again?

Oh they are going to do it all over again again next year too. Until they win

 

[CHGJ2000]

Sure, but I was purely talking about his performance as a scout. Whatever happened to Pogačar after he signed with UAE was not a part of the scouting process and therefore not just a result of Matxin's work.

Seems to reduce a bit of what scouting is imo. Seeing riders that aren't just very good but have a lot of potential on top of what they have is a big part of it.

 

[Gigs_98]

I remember back when Pogacar first emerged onto the scene one of the reason I was sceptical about how good he'd become was that he was riding for Lampre with oil money which was notoriously bad at getting the best out of their riders. Then when Pogacar became a mega star I thought that maybe all the oil money had really pushed the Lampre part out of the team, but it's getting more and more clear that Pogacar was an outlier. The only reason this team is somewhat servicable is because they can simply outspend everyone.

 

[KZD]

Pretty funny that Johan Bruyneel is getting his 'scoops' from CN forum.

As for Pogačar, the result was not the desired one with the team lacking a bit of strength overall but looking at the bright side he was just a bike length away from winning Sanremo and he now has a podium in 6 out of the 7 most important one day races in the world, sharing that feat with Van Aert, with the difference being that he has 4 more monument wins.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Seems to reduce a bit of what scouting is imo. Seeing riders that aren't just very good but have a lot of potential on top of what they have is a big part of it.

To me it's also about finding hidden gems or taking chances on someone that others don't have the same kind of faith in. We also know that talent isn't enough in cycling if you don't have the right attitude and work ethic. Also I never meant that Matxin was a bad scout, just that he wasn't necessarily as great as some people claim.

 

[DNP-Old]

View: https://youtu.be/fK63DfksW_Q?si=ko9oifqXvKwwHnkS

Jump on 40:00 min😉😘💯

Roflmao, what the hell.

 

[DNP-Old]

Hello Johan, welcome! How are you doing?

 

[DNP-Old]

Also, I see that Mou is lecturing the masses in the comment section of that video too. Please stay exclusive to CN, man.

 

[Red Rick]

I remember back when Pogacar first emerged onto the scene one of the reason I was sceptical about how good he'd become was that he was riding for Lampre with oil money which was notoriously bad at getting the best out of their riders. Then when Pogacar became a mega star I thought that maybe all the oil money had really pushed the Lampre part out of the team, but it's getting more and more clear that Pogacar was an outlier. The only reason this team is somewhat servicable is because they can simply outspend everyone.

Based on who do their riders underperform?

 

[scribers]

Also one of the biggest cheaters, and charlatans in cycling. What does that say?

Oh man. You act like cycling exorcised its demons with the expulsion of this one person

 

[scribers]

Also, I see that Mou is lecturing the masses in the comment section of that video too. Please stay exclusive to CN, man.

Yeah @mou. We have a contract with you here

 

[Froome]

But @mou ’s information is likely good and actual. And yours is just want you wan to believe. They are not the same thing. Talking about Vingo improving does not make it so

You have been distracted.

Oh man. You act like cycling exorcised its demons with the expulsion of this one person

You don’t exorcise demons, "you" exercise demons.

 

[mou]

Also, I see that Mou is lecturing the masses in the comment section of that video too. Please stay exclusive to CN, man.

it wasn't me

 

[scribers]

I just went into the comments section and it melted my brain. Thanks god for the quality level of this forum compared to that