Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Stasat]

Surely Remco is the massive favorite, right?

It's going to be exciting seeing Remco MvDP and Pog in the same one day race. I can't see Remco matching Pog's 1 min power though.

 

[mou]

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Tbh he better persists with this level for the giro. The giro guys can't handle this level let alone another level🤣

a new level is being prepared, Javier Sola is dosing it properly, everything is under control, as long as he does not pick up any disease now in these catastrophic conditions in Catalonia

 

[gregrowlerson]

Realistically, we will not know how Pogacar compares to Vingegaard until July. Pogacar looks to be the strongest he's ever been, but Vingegaard is also stronger than he was at this point of the season in 2022 or 2023. Both are obviously two or three steps beyond any GC competitor. I like Pogacar, and also like the fact that if he wins this Tour he'll focus on other goals, so I hope he wins this summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Vingo pulls it off.

This. I believe that Pogacar is being trained better now, however, everyone has their glass ceiling. What if Vingo is simply able to handle hot conditions in a grand tour better than Pog? He may make improvements in this area, but may still be found wanting (compared to Vingo)over those last 3 (likely decisive) stages in July.

The two biggest wtf? performances in recent times are probably Pog in the alps in 2021 and Vingo in the ITT last year, both which looked to be at a similar level (at least going off the eye test, not raw numbers). This year the winner might be decided by the weather (I'm feeling more confident about Pogacar's ability to win the Giro 'easily'....he's got to be a level above Contador, Froome, Dumoulin).

 

[QueenStagiaire]

, Javier Sola is dosing it properly,

🤨

 

[Barkintheeye]

Surely Remco is the massive favorite, right?

That's a contagious topic but I'll say no... of course it's Van der Poel

 

[Peyroteo94]

The Giro has a very underwhelming field and because of that, I think Pog will walk there at 90% of his level. Hope for good weather to not take a lot of energy from Pog. I want Vingegaard to be challenged

 

[SHAD0W93]

I still maintain that a GT is a different beast, even if he gets a decent lead early on and then decides to step back from the attacks. The battle for 2nd and 3rd place will make it so that there will be attacks that the UAE team won't be able to prevent all the time, and so keeping wheels will still use a lot of energy.

Won’t matter if he’s ahead 10+ mins at that point.

 

[Froome]

each VAM means 1.35 sec , so 46*1.35=1.02min Pog a better pace on Vallter than on Coullile 2023, at altitude, in heavy rain and 2°, let's see someone to deny what I wrote, @Froome you have a serious task

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Pogacar didn't evolve in long climbs since 2021, right? That's a big problem, he continues to suffer in altitude.

He already did a bit better than today in the past, like in Portet. He didn't improved in long climbs.

You talked about 6.5 w/kg in +30 min climb, and he can barely do 6 w/kg.

Maybe at least he improved in 15/20 min effort this year, i'm waiting for the stage of saturday to see that on Queralt.

 

[bNator]

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Pogacar didn't evolve in long climbs since 2021, right? That's a big problem, he continues to suffer in altitude.

He already did a bit better than today in the past, like in Portet. He didn't improved in long climbs.

You talked about 6.5 w/kg in +30 min climb, and he can barely do 6 w/kg.

Maybe at least he improved in 15/20 min effort this year, i'm waiting for the stage of saturday to see that on Queralt.

What a loser this guy Pogacar...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

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Pogacar didn't evolve in long climbs since 2021, right? That's a big problem, he continues to suffer in altitude.

He already did a bit better than today in the past, like in Portet. He didn't improved in long climbs.

You talked about 6.5 w/kg in +30 min climb, and he can barely do 6 w/kg.

Maybe at least he improved in 15/20 min effort this year, i'm waiting for the stage of saturday to see that on Queralt.

Pogacar yesterday didn't do much better than on Portet. But it's March vs July. I do think he was better yesterday than on Couilolle PN last year.

 

[mou]

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Pogacar didn't evolve in long climbs since 2021, right? That's a big problem, he continues to suffer in altitude.

He already did a bit better than today in the past, like in Portet. He didn't improved in long climbs.

You talked about 6.5 w/kg in +30 min climb, and he can barely do 6 w/kg.

Maybe at least he improved in 15/20 min effort this year, i'm waiting for the stage of saturday to see that on Queralt.

I wrote Vallter 2000 vs Coulille 2023,spring 2023 climb vs spring 2024 climb

 

[Froome]

I wrote Vallter 2000 vs Coulille 2023,spring 2023 climb vs spring 2024 climb

Coullolle is a s*** perfomance for everybody. There was a strong headwind. Even gaudu finished with Pogacar. Pogacar, gaudu and vingegaard couldn't even be more faster than the peloton of the mercantour classic in 2021, on the same climb.

They did 2/almost 3 minutes worse than the record of richie Porte. Bad comparation when Pogacar couldn't gone full gas because of the strong headwind.

 

[ppanther92]

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Pogacar didn't evolve in long climbs since 2021, right? That's a big problem, he continues to suffer in altitude.

He already did a bit better than today in the past, like in Portet. He didn't improved in long climbs.

You talked about 6.5 w/kg in +30 min climb, and he can barely do 6 w/kg.

Maybe at least he improved in 15/20 min effort this year, i'm waiting for the stage of saturday to see that on Queralt.

Why are we putting that much emphasis on a climb in Catalunya where he anyway easily dominated the field and which is absolutely no goal for him? There will be other tests this year for “new” Pogacar.

 

[Salvarani]

Why are we putting that much emphasis on a climb in Catalunya where he anyway easily dominated the field and which is absolutely no goal for him? There will be other tests this year for “new” Pogacar.

Froomie just dont want to give up... its very fitting isnt it?

 

[Red Rick]

Once again with the obsession with W/kg numbers when you should pay attention how far ahead of the field he is instead.

If they did Lo Port with 15 degrees and a tailwind tomorrow on Unipuerto stage everyone would be screaming

 

[bNator]

Why are we putting that much emphasis on a climb in Catalunya where he anyway easily dominated the field and which is absolutely no goal for him? There will be other tests this year for “new” Pogacar.

Because there are trolls on both sides of the discussion having a go at it.

 

[kn0s]

Once again with the obsession with W/kg numbers when you should pay attention how far ahead of the field he is instead.

If they did Lo Port with 15 degrees and a tailwind tomorrow on Unipuerto stage everyone would be screaming

If you want to use the gap to the others as a measure, then it becomes very subjective. How do you rate the opposition? What is there current form? The w/kg numbers are not much better, but still I think just a little less subjective.

 

[Salvarani]

If you want to use the gap to the others as a measure, then it becomes very subjective. How do you rate the opposition? What is there current form? The w/kg numbers are not much better, but still I think just a little less subjective.

There are many things to consider to paint the most accurate picture of the situation.

Just taking the numbers at face-value, ignoring other important factors, wont make you get to the correct conclusion.

 

[Froome]

If you want to use the gap to the others as a measure, then it becomes very subjective. How do you rate the opposition? What is there current form? The w/kg numbers are not much better, but still I think just a little less subjective.

We can also compare the gaps between cristian Rodriguez, tiberi, wout poels on TA to vingegaard, with gaps between them and Pogacar in the last 2 days, even if the climbs were shorter on TA.

 

[kn0s]

There are many things to consider to paint the most accurate picture of the situation.

Just taking the numbers at face-value, ignoring other important factors, wont make you get to the correct conclusion.

Agreed, no on should take any of it as "facts".

 

[Salvarani]

We can also compare the gaps between cristian Rodriguez, tiberi, wout poels on TA to vingegaard, with gaps between them and Pogacar in the last 2 days, even if the climbs were shorter on TA.

Keep putting the hard posts in Froomie! You will get there.

 

[mou]

Strada, the best solo in the history of modern cycling ✍️, a one-week race with the biggest difference in the history of modern cycling, soon ✍️, give us Liege so that there will be a new solo, but more on that later,😘
that's the best indicator ladies and gentlemen, just that...

 

[Red Rick]

If you want to use the gap to the others as a measure, then it becomes very subjective. How do you rate the opposition? What is there current form? The w/kg numbers are not much better, but still I think just a little less subjective.

Watts per kilo fluctuate much more than performance compared to competition. You get stuff like 2022 Granon being not that impressive and other insane takes.

 

[kn0s]

Watts per kilo fluctuate much more than performance compared to competition. You get stuff like 2022 Granon being not that impressive and other insane takes.

There is always outliers, but the riders and teams put a whole lot of stock in numbers these days, maybe there is a reason.

 

[SHAD0W93]

We can also compare the gaps between cristian Rodriguez, tiberi, wout poels on TA to vingegaard, with gaps between them and Pogacar in the last 2 days, even if the climbs were shorter on TA.

You mean the same riders Pog is getting close to putting the same time Vingegaard did in 3 days instead of 7?