Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

I think I saw it here.

'I don't think I'm a cannibal like Merckx' - Tadej Pogacar and the road ahead

Slovenian says 'Royal Rumble' Tour de France will be his main 2024 goal, but does not rule out riding the Giro

www.cyclingnews.com

An article noone will have been able to read.

 

[Red Rick]

What's funny is that Vingegaard never really seems to get the same amount of criticism despite doing something similar in several stage races.

Vingegaard's hoarding of stages is both less extreme and more recent

 

[Salvarani]

Vingegaard's hoarding of stages is both less extreme and more recent

False.

Tadej, 2023-2024: 12 stage-wins.

Vingegaard, 2023-2024: 16 stage-wins. (11 of them last year!)

Think of something else to throw your salt on and come again.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yea he did. I’m too lazy to go find it

I could easily imagine him saying it.
Just sitting there, with that sweet-innocent 'boy-next-door' look, all "I don't eat people..."

 

[tobydawq]

I could easily imagine him saying it.
Just sitting there, with that sweet-innocent 'boy-next-door' look, all "I don't eat people..."

Why do we think Jan Polanc really 'ended his career'?

 

[hayneplane]

Tejay van Garderen, sports director of EF Education-Easy Post, has harshly criticized Tadej Pogacar after his exhibition on the Volta a Catalunya. On the NBC Sports Cycling show, the former American cyclist discussed with Christian Vande Velde about the superiority of Slovenian. "To be honest, it made everyone look like children. It was a bit frustrating.""
"He obviously wants to win and he should win because he's the best in the world, I understand it, but it was a predictable conclusion and you've got people 10 minutes on the getaway, and yet his team keeps them a minute away because he wants to win again," van Garderen said on the program.

La crítica a Pogacar por su superioridad en la Volta: "No está haciendo amigos"

Tejay van Garderen, director deportivo de EF Education-Easy Post, ha criticado duramente a Tadej Pogacar tras su exhibición en la Volta a Catalunya.

www.eurosport.es

Saw a clip of that on social media. Tejay came across as a pathetic person just sore that he never had anything like the talent Tadej has.

 

[tobydawq]

Saw a clip of that on social media. Tejay came across as a pathetic person just sore that he never had anything like the talent Tadej has.

He is close to having the same letters in his first name, though.

 

[Bolder]

False.

Tadej, 2023-2024: 12 stage-wins.

Vingegaard, 2023-2024: 16 stage-wins. (11 of them last year!)

Think of something else to throw your salt on and come again.

I have zero problem with a sportsman or a team trying to win. Now, if he was entering business park crits against amateurs, it would be different.

 

[Salvarani]

I have zero problem with a sportsman or a team trying to win. Now, if he was entering business park crits against amateurs, it would be different.

Agreed.

 

[Nick2413]

Tejay’s problem is the top of the sport is too lopsided currently, there is little parity. Pogacar is just the easy one to point to. I don’t know if deliberately letting others win is the answer but I get the sentiment.

 

[Salvarani]

Tejay’s problem is the top of the sport is too lopsided currently, there is little parity. Pogacar is just the easy one to point to. I don’t know if deliberately letting others win is the answer but I get the sentiment.

The best riders always used to win many races in the history of this sport, most of them that they entered.

It is more like there is an attitude change among the best riders, which is more similar to how the sport used to be. Always was. The best riders would win a lot of races. Before the 00s and 10s.

People seem to forget history repeats itself.

Maybe in 10-20 years it will be back to only peaking/racing for one race again. Things change. Goes back and forward.

 

[Blanco]

The best riders always used to win many races in the history of this sport, most of them that they entered.

It is more like there is an attitude change among the best riders, which is more similar to how the sport used to be. Always was. The best riders would win a lot of races. Before the 00s and 10s.

People seem to forget history repeats itself.

Maybe in 10-20 years it will be back to only peaking/racing for one race again. Things change. Goes back and forward.

Best riders won lot of races in the 00's and 10's too...

 

[Salvarani]

Best riders won lot of races in the 00's and 10's too...

Yes. But there was more focus on only a few, that they won.

Riders now have more wins than a few of the most prominent riders of those years.

 

[vwpe]

Yes. But there was more focus on only a few, that they won.

Riders now have more wins than a few of the most prominent riders of those years.

Noone of those riders were close to pogacar talent and level tho. But i see your point.

However only rider comparable to Pogacar at this point is the other cannibal - Eddy Merckx.

Which again is such a different era were competition were 100x lower than this golden era were in now so not really very comparable in the first place. Now cycling is even more specialized than its ever been and everyone respective objectives /across different fields are hence at a very high level makes it even more impressive really.

 

[scribers]

What's funny is that Vingegaard never really seems to get the same amount of criticism despite doing something similar in several stage races.

Because all of the bitter Bettys over pogis domination are Vingo fans

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar is the real deal, don't act like we saw other riders winning as much as he wins. This dude is the best "hilly cobbled" rider in the world, he is the best in hilly classics, he is the best climber in the world (I think Vingegaard can recover better than him but if we put a super hard mountain classic, Pogacar would win IMHO), this dude is the best sprinter if we compared with other climbers or punchers and if he would care about TT, he would be able to be top5 in every WC TT. He is so much better than others that it is sad to see. What really hurts to them is the fact they can't even fight against him with different strategies because if Pogacar wants he just does his long range attacks and put everyone on the ropes.

 

[Salvarani]

Pogacar is the real deal, don't act like we saw other riders winning as much he wins. This dude is the best "hilly cobbled" rider in the world, he is the best in hilly classics, he is the best climber in the world (I think Vingegaard can recover better than him but if we put a super hard mountain classic, Pogacar would win IMHO), this dude is the best sprinter if we compared with other climbers or punchers and if he would care about TT, he would be able to be top5 in every WC TT. He is so much better than others that it is sad to see. What really hurts to them is the fact they can even fight against with different strategies because if Pogacar wants he just does his long range attacks and put everyone on the ropes.

The GOAT

 

[Red Rick]

Best riders won lot of races in the 00's and 10's too...

Remember when Contador absolutely dominated the Giro in 2011?

Won a whole 2 stages.

 

[hayneplane]

Pogacar is the real deal, don't act like we saw other riders winning as much as he wins. This dude is the best "hilly cobbled" rider in the world, he is the best in hilly classics, he is the best climber in the world (I think Vingegaard can recover better than him but if we put a super hard mountain classic, Pogacar would win IMHO), this dude is the best sprinter if we compared with other climbers or punchers and if he would care about TT, he would be able to be top5 in every WC TT. He is so much better than others that it is sad to see. What really hurts to them is the fact they can't even fight against him with different strategies because if Pogacar wants he just does his long range attacks and put everyone on the ropes.

Would love to see them both ride the Mont Ventoux challenge in good form.

 

[Blanco]

Remember when Contador absolutely dominated the Giro in 2011?

Won a whole 2 stages.

No, I meant really best riders of that period: Alejandro Valverde and Tom Boonen . They won a lot...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remember when Contador absolutely dominated the Giro in 2011?

Won a whole 2 stages.

He gave 2 stages to Tiralongo and Rujano

 

[Red Rick]

He gave 2 stages to Tiralongo and Rujano

The route was also hard enough for even Contador to get tired.

Imagine Pog vs the field on the 2011 Giro route

 

[Elos Anjos]

Q: Why can't I, your forum average user, be interviewed to say the same thing?
A: Because you haven't won 5 Tours and 2 Giros.
Q: So?

Miguel Indurain warns Tadej Pogacar ahead of Giro-Tour double: "If he's winning so much now, he could pay the price for that later"

Doing the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France on the sa

cyclinguptodate.com

 

[SHAD0W93]

He gave 2 stages to Tiralongo and Rujano

And was in for a shot at the final TT if he went for it.

 

[velaso montador]

Noone of those riders were close to pogacar talent and level tho. But i see your point.

However only rider comparable to Pogacar at this point is the other cannibal - Eddy Merckx.

Which again is such a different era were competition were 100x lower than this golden era were in now so not really very comparable in the first place. Now cycling is even more specialized than its ever been and everyone respective objectives /across different fields are hence at a very high level makes it even more impressive really.

This is so spot on.

Fun fact, I actually tried to have a petition to name this thread cannibal or something towards that.