Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[hayneplane]

So Pog to win Liege, Giro and Tour, who is the last to do so? In one season? Merckx?

The only one ever. Only Merckx and Coppi have ever won the Giro-Tour double and any monument in the same season.

Merckx 1972 season will never be eclipsed. Giro-Tour double and 3 monuments is just insane no matter what era.

 

[Gratemans]

New trainer!

Really? Hadn't heard anything about that at all

 

[velaso montador]

So Pog to win Liege, Giro and Tour,

He is the great one afterall

 

[YavorD]

The only one ever. Only Merckx and Coppi have ever won the Giro-Tour double and any monument in the same season.

Merckx 1972 season will never be eclipsed. Giro-Tour double and 3 monuments is just insane no matter what era.

Not that I really believe it but if he wins Liege+ Giro+Tour+WC+Lombardia, it would be pretty close.

 

[velaso montador]

Not that I really believe it but if he wins Liege+ Giro+Tour+WC+Lombardia, it would be pretty close.

no disrespect to Merckx ofc but doing that in 2024 has to be 10x harder with the specializing which is in cycling now its almost different sports from different fields of expertise. That plus also cycling is 10x bigger so the competition level has to be harder.

If he was to do that for me atleast that would be way higher.

 

[proffate]

Not that I really believe it but if he wins Liege+ Giro+Tour+WC+Lombardia, it would be pretty close.

The Olympics is also on his calendar last I checked

 

[Nick2413]

Doubtful. FW looks wide open this year, it is not a race that suits him that well as he got the win last year when on great form but did not dominate the Mur de Huy. Having got it on his palmares I think he will frequently skip it.

FW may be wide open but still bet it gets won with a 50k solo the way this year is going.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Doubtful. FW looks wide open this year, it is not a race that suits him that well as he got the win last year when on great form but did not dominate the Mur de Huy. Having got it on his palmares I think he will frequently skip it.

He didn't dominate? He was bossing the climb waiting for someone to attack to just counter attack. It was a very easy win, however is not a race that suits his main strenghts.

 

[hayneplane]

Not that I really believe it but if he wins Liege+ Giro+Tour+WC+Lombardia, it would be pretty close.

If he did that then there would be zero doubt that it would be the best season ever.

 

[Red Rick]

He didn't dominate? He was bossing the climb waiting for someone to attack to just counter attack. It was a very easy win, however is not a race that suits his main strenghts.

The standard way to win is hardly called dominating. In fact the gap to those behind was much smaller than in most editions of Fleche.

 

[hayneplane]

He didn't dominate? He was bossing the climb waiting for someone to attack to just counter attack. It was a very easy win, however is not a race that suits his main strenghts.

Having just rewatched the highlights I would concede you were right and it was a lot more dominant than I had remembered it being.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The standard way to win is hardly called dominating. In fact the gap to those behind was much smaller than in most editions of Fleche.

But he dominate. It was an easy win, a lot like Valverde in his prime.

 

[Red Rick]

But he dominate. It was an easy win, a lot like Valverde in his prime.

It's a lot of made up facts. It's Pog, so it was easy.

Nevermind the barely existent time gaps or the body language.

 

[Salvarani]

It's a lot of made up facts. It's Pog, so it was easy.

Nevermind the barely existent time gaps or the body language.

The definition of finding ways to discredit each and every day.

 

[Vudy]

The definition of finding ways to discredit each and every day.

It's impossible to please everyone. If he wins 80k solo it's boring, if he wins with 1 second he barely made it across the line first and wasn't dominating AKA washed. As for FW, at least from my perspective, it seems he did just enough to win.

 

[Red Rick]

It's impossible to please everyone. If he wins 80k solo it's boring, if he wins with 1 second he barely made it across the line first and wasn't dominating AKA washed. As for FW, at least from my perspective, it seems he did just enough to win.

It has nothing to do with entertainment and everything with just blurting buzzwords out when actually metrics state the contrary.

It's not like I never deny that Pogacar is the best rider in the world. But that doesn't mean I'm obliged to be entertained by monotous domination.

At least I get to be entertained by the outrage of his fans when not everyone worships at the same altar they do

 

[Salvarani]

It's impossible to please everyone. If he wins 80k solo it's boring, if he wins with 1 second he barely made it across the line first and wasn't dominating AKA washed. As for FW, at least from my perspective, it seems he did just enough to win.

You hit the nail on the head with this post. Some people are just always gonna complain, I guess. Finding new ways to do it. They switch narrative each time, as you are alluding to.

Agreed on the FW win. He did just enough to win... but some people will find ways to discredit that as well. No matter what they say, he still won. Thats what matters and it is on his palmares. It wont change because what a lazy poster says on a forum, who twists facts, because of their own bias towards a rider.

 

[Blanco]

But he dominate. It was an easy win, a lot like Valverde in his prime.

He would've choked in the dust behind Valverde's back wheel when he sails past him.
Prime Ala and Roglic would beat him comfortably there too...

 

[Red Rick]

He would've choked in the dust behind Valverde's back wheel when he sails past him.
Prime Ala and Roglic would beat him comfortably there too...

Fresh single murito is probably one of Pogacars worst efforts. People always talking about high, long mountain stages but there he's still #2 in the world normally, but slightly off on a single short murito finish a heap of dudes suddenly beat him.

Pogacar is clearly better at shallower uphill sprints than Mur de Huy.

 

[velaso montador]

Fresh single murito is probably one of Pogacars worst efforts.

Pogacar is clearly better at shallower uphill sprints than Mur de Huy.

Indeed but he still won FW quite easily regardless imo, even looked back and eased of you could argue or might not i have no clue. (nvm thats another discussion the matter of fact the dude won comfortably atleast.

Either way FW has to be the least compelling classics on the calender no? Makes alot of sense for Pog to not disrupt training just to travel to win FW, hes on another level after all his wins now, FW doesnt define him and he got bigger objectives to focus on.

 

[velaso montador]

I do wonder about the stories circulating about his extreme progress when he was already the best in the world by alot its a scary thought. I think it was Valter who said in a interview this Pog level now is out of this world. When other riders whispers about it that get me curious not tabloids or unrelated sources.

He might actually do the double and and win both Lombardia and Liege too, it would be insane and unprecedented for this era of racing. As usually i do think he himself is the only one stopping him, a fall/crash or something.

The thing about it is some people might not like the total domination but thats only cause its lost in the perspective of the magnitude of what a historic rider he is simple as that.

 

[Red Rick]

I do wonder about the stories circulating about his extreme progress when he was already the best in the world by alot its a scary thought. I think it was Valter who said in a interview this Pog level now is out of this world. When other riders whispers about it that get me curious not tabloids or unrelated sources.

He might actually do the double and and win both Lombardia and Liege too, it would be insane and unprecedented for this era of racing. As usually i do think he himself is the only one stopping him, a fall/crash or something.

The thing about it is some people might not like the total domination but thats only cause its lost in the perspective of the magnitude of what a historic rider he is simple as that.

It's basically like Contador claiming to be doing his best numbers every time he talks about them.

For Pogacar it's always other people talking about him or his numbers, which includes people bragging about his Gavia and Stelvio records before he lost the Tour of 2022.

 

[Salvarani]

I do wonder about the stories circulating about his extreme progress when he was already the best in the world by alot its a scary thought. I think it was Valter who said in a interview this Pog level now is out of this world. When other riders whispers about it that get me curious not tabloids or unrelated sources.

He might actually do the double and and win both Lombardia and Liege too, it would be insane and unprecedented for this era of racing. As usually i do think he himself is the only one stopping him, a fall/crash or something.

The thing about it is some people might not like the total domination but thats only cause its lost in the perspective of the magnitude of what a historic rider he is simple as that.

Great post.

 

[Salvarani]

It's basically like Contador claiming to be doing his best numbers every time he talks about them.

For Pogacar it's always other people talking about him or his numbers, which includes people bragging about his Gavia and Stelvio records before he lost the Tour of 2022.

Every rider in the peloton has ”their best numbers”. Everyone is claiming that.

That you keep singling out Pog is just hilarious at this point. You are the one talking the absolute most. Not other people.

 

[velaso montador]

It's basically like Contador claiming to be doing his best numbers every time he talks about them.

For Pogacar it's always other people talking about him or his numbers, which includes people bragging about his Gavia and Stelvio records before he lost the Tour of 2022.

Contador was always my fav rider, such a joy to watch and talent. Nvm thats the point tho its other riders talking about it from racing vs him not him or twitter accounts which will always happen for any rider. When his peers who race vs him speak for me atleast that tells alot and is a difference. Recently this year Valter and Bennet.

That part will always be a bit premature indeed too ofcourse and doesnt mean that much i dont take much stock in that but it is different when it comes from riders he race vs that might be just me though but its still silly I agree.

Its hard to not be impressed by his strade or cata total domination nevertheless if not anything else.