I don’t doubt Pogacar would beat a modern day Merckx with all the bells and whistles of today. But would Pogacar beat as many farmers as Merckx did if racing in that era’s conditions and preparation? Completely different ballgame and impossible to know.
- Sep 12, 2022
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I agree that he’s the best 1-week stage racer. Don’t say this in the Roglic topic though.
The rest I don’t agree with.
- Nov 16, 2013
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The way he beat Van der Poel on his own turf last year in De Ronde certainly indeed proves how inferior he is to Van der Poel.
- Aug 3, 2015
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Pogacar was beating MVDP on his own turf in Flanders and is basically dominating every classic known to mankind in a way that MVDP can only do in a select few races.
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He probably got a lengthy ban because he couldn't refrain from insulting people.
- Jan 29, 2021
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Why wouldn't Vingegaard be better than Pogacar on the Giro? I actually think the old hard routes of the Giro, especially in the third week, would benefit even more Vingegaard, because the famous long plus steep climbs with altitude like colle delle Finestre, Gavia, mortirolo, fauniera, Stelvio are even more better for Vingegaard than climbs like the usual climbs of the Tour who normally are less steep with some exeptions.
Vingegaard is also good in the cold, no problem about that.
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The conversation about Merckx beating farmers is also funny, because Pogacar beat farmers in almost all of the races he did this year.
It’s a shame for some reasons(some of them, not Pogacar's fault), we never saw him face Vingegaard, Roglic and Remco evenepoel.
He is going to the Giro, and he will not face anyone relevant again. We need to wait for the Tour.
It’s a shame for some reasons(some of them, not Pogacar's fault), we never saw him face Vingegaard, Roglic and Remco evenepoel.
He is going to the Giro, and he will not face anyone relevant again. We need to wait for the Tour.
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He wasn’t in the same form as he was during the WC RR and this year’s Ronde, according to himself. So I’m not sure he would beat him
- Nov 16, 2013
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Okay (actually not), then Pogacar's loss to Vingegaard in the Tour doesn't count either because of insufficient preparation.
- Aug 3, 2015
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Van der Poel was in great shape last year, as was Pogacar. This year both have upped their game further and are even stronger. Who improved most? Impossible to say, but facts are Pogacar beat a peak and prime Van der Poel fair and square when he waived goodbye in the bottom of Kwaremont. That was as clean a race as you can get.
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And MVDP was destroyed during Liege. Was very mediocre in Amstel, a race Pogacar dominated last year. We can continue this to the end of time, you see?
Pogacar has a wider range of classics he can win AND has shown to be even better than MVDP in the race that suits him the best on the calender.
- Sep 26, 2020
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I don't think he's beat any farmers this year, or at least not anyone who was considered a possible threat to him. It's not like Mauri Vansevenant's farm work keeps him from training like a pro.
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Fair enough, obviously wrong, but fair enough.
- Jul 8, 2017
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A course that was tailor made for MVDP (of course nothing wrong with that).
If WCRR next year has a Lombardia-like course is MVDP even in contention?
Hell, if Pogacar isn't toi tired for Zurich, he would destroy MVDP there already. So what? Both are great classic riders but while Pogacar can sometimes get close to MVDP on his own turf and sometimes even beat him, Van Der Poel isn't close to Pogacar in most of the hilly one day races (that doesn't have cobbles).
- Mar 20, 2022
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TY! And we can add Pogi was very tired after the Tour and didn't make an optimal preparation for Glasgow. The same can't be said about MVP.
- Jul 8, 2017
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Let's be honest, no. Even with an optimal preparation Pogacar wouldn't be close to VDP on that course.
- Mar 20, 2022
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You don't know. I still think MVP would win though
- Oct 30, 2023
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I was stunned at how well pogi did at glasgow
- Nov 16, 2013
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Not insufferable debating style at all.
Extinction
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- Jan 8, 2020
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It comes down to genetics: if Merckx is superior to Pogacar then he does better, but between generations and all the tech/dddjyrvb advancements it's not possible to know. So going on palmares is futile, in so far as the gap between epochs is irreconciliable. For you would have to put Merckx in Pogacar's era and vice versa, which is impossible.
- Sep 12, 2022
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Haha. I don’t think there’s much to discuss, we named all the reasons why one is better than the other and we disagree.
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