Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Kwaremonster]

I am curious to see if Pogacar can repeat in Flanders what he did last year. He probably can, it looked quite easy, but part of me hopes that a Van der Poel who marks only him and saves all his energy to follow Pogacar on this one hill, can follow him next time.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I am curious to see if Pogacar can repeat in Flanders what he did last year. He probably can, it looked quite easy, but part of me hopes that a Van der Poel who marks only him and saves all his energy to follow Pogacar on this one hill, can follow him next time.

Pogacar dropped MVP 2 times in the race. The first time he was caught by MVP, WVA and Laporte. Next year, racing against UAE will be tough because their team will be very strong with riders like Veermesch, Polits, Morgado, Wellens and Bjerg

 

[Red Rick]

Meanwhile I'm in a quantum super position between rooting against Pogacar any chance I get while also finding the notion that Van der Poel is a better 1 day racer offensive.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Meanwhile I'm in a quantum super position between rooting against Pogacar any chance I get while also finding the notion that Van der Poel is a better 1 day racer offensive.

Why rooting against Teddy? He's a nice guy who wins sometimes and everybody in the peleton loves him*

*except Van Baarle

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why rooting against Teddy? He's a nice guy who wins sometimes and everybody in the peleton loves him*

*except Van Baarle

He is a Roglic fan. Of course he doesn't like Pog, remember WVA and Dumoulin watching Pogi destroying LPBF? RedRick was doing the same at home.

 

[Red Rick]

Why rooting against Teddy? He's a nice guy who wins sometimes* and everybody in the peleton loves him

*basically always

Planche de Belles Filles happened, and my deranged, sadomasochistic mind decided that the heartbroken guy with the very poorly fitting meme helmet was my guy

 

[velaso montador]

Pogacar totall dominance like Geraint Thomas said too theres just some few ppl who dont like when ppl dominate which is normal i guess and rather wanne support underdogs thats normal for some.

I myself appriciate greatness above all and its never been a cyclist of this caliber before in most of the ppls lifetime here i think and doubt there will too so just a nice time/lucky to watch cycling for most at this time it truly are something else.

 

[RedheadDane]

Planche de Belles Filles happened, and my deranged, sadomasochistic mind decided that the heartbroken guy with the very poorly fitting meme helmet was my guy

What about the guy who utters the words "I'm gone. I'm dead...", can't he be your guy too?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yet he has less wins...

And is younger. Tadej started winning classics in 21 and is obviously focusing a whole lot on that race in France.

Thats just such a bad argument.

 

[Berniece]

And is younger. Tadej started winning classics in 21 and is obviously focusing a whole lot on that race in France.

Thats just such a bad argument.

Because MVDP focused on the road since he was 19?

 

[KZD]

Because MVDP focused on the road since he was 19?

No, but he focused on the classics since 2019, two years earlier than Pogačar so it makes sense that he has more wins and when we look at World Tour races they are basically tied.

 

[Blanco]

And is younger. Tadej started winning classics in 21 and is obviously focusing a whole lot on that race in France.

Thats just such a bad argument.

So he has time to catch up then, nice.
And by the way, they both started road career aprox. at the same time. There's no guarantees that Pogacar will last longer...

 

[Blanco]

No, but he focused on the classics since 2019, two years earlier than Pogačar so it makes sense that he has more wins and when we look at World Tour races they are basically tied.

So who was 3rd in Liege 2020 then?

 

[topcat]

Meanwhile I'm in a quantum super position between rooting against Pogacar any chance I get while also finding the notion that Van der Poel is a better 1 day racer offensive.

I have no such dilemma.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

So who was 3rd in Liege 2020 then?

Definitely not your guy…
Liège was two weeks after the Tour, it doesn‘t mean that he was ‚focusing on the classics‘ but that he‘s just naturally good at them.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I have no such dilemma.

You're in the super position of knowing that one Julian Alaphilippe is far superior to both.

 

[KZD]

So who was 3rd in Liege 2020 then?

As @QueenStagiaire said, Pogačar wasn't necessarily focused on Liège given that it came just 2 weeks after the biggest win in his career. I wouldn't argue that Van der Poel was focused on Lombardia just because he rode it in 2020 either.

Just some stats, Pogačar has 6 monuments wins out of 14 starts while Van der Poel has 6 monuments out of 18 starts so Pogačar has been clearly the most effective of the two on the biggest WT one day races.

Van der Poel has one thing that in my opinion puts him up there with Pogačar though, his World title last year. However even in major Championships, Pogačar has already a bronze medal on both the Worlds and the Olympics.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What about the guy who utters the words "I'm gone. I'm dead...", can't he be your guy too?

Once a year in July Teddy pretends to be a human to be liked by fans and it actually works!

 

[AmRacer]

Once a year in July Teddy pretends to be a human to be liked by fans and it actually works!

When the fish isn't there, the goat can win as a human.

 

[velaso montador]

Tadej Pogacar voted most favorite rider in 2023

www.procyclingstats.com

Wow the gap

 

[Blanco]

As @QueenStagiaire said, Pogačar wasn't necessarily focused on Liège given that it came just 2 weeks after the biggest win in his career. I wouldn't argue that Van der Poel was focused on Lombardia just because he rode it in 2020 either.

Just some stats, Pogačar has 6 monuments wins out of 14 starts while Van der Poel has 6 monuments out of 18 starts so Pogačar has been clearly the most effective of the two on the biggest WT one day races.

Van der Poel has one thing that in my opinion puts him up there with Pogačar though, his World title last year. However even in major Championships, Pogačar has already a bronze medal on both the Worlds and the Olympics.

That one thing puts him above Pogacar.
And I don't give a damn who's focusing on what, we're talking about best classics rider of the current peloton, and that's Van Der Poel.

 

[Red Rick]

Once again 'best one day racer' is being rather undefined so you get a lot of arguments about palmares vs ability. I wouldn't deny Van der Poel has the better 1 day palmares, but he doesn't have the superior ability by any stretch IMO. Monument stats always get skewed by how easy RvV and PR are to farm together, especially when your main rivals crash out/don't compete. In addition, a far majority of WC routes is geared towards RvV archetype riders rather than LBL archetype riders.

 

[Blanco]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

Prime Gilbert would smoke prime Valverde in any given day.

 

[AmRacer]

Both are important, but for me palmares gets the edge over ability.
Valverde in terms of ability was superior to Gilbert, but even as a hardcore fan I must say that Gilbert has better classics palmares.

But Valverde has better GC palmares.