Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

But in what world will Remco drop Vingegaard?

Maybe a worse day by Vingo, keep in mind that he's not as well prepared as normally and can have some weaker moments, which maybe could be exploited.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Maybe a worse day by Vingo, keep in mind that he's not as well prepared as normally and can have some weaker moments, which maybe could be exploited.

Pogacar and Vingegaard at 90% are still better than a 100% Remco or any rider. And yes, they are that much better.

 

[Miha81]

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[SHAD0W93]

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“F**k that sign.” Pogacar probably

 

[Peyroteo94]

He survived. Tomorrow is another day where he can lose the Tour. Go go Tadej!! Perfect day today, Tadej is safe and Cav won!!

 

[James M]

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Wow I dont think many people in the peleton would be able to avoid crashing there that was some reflexes and still didnt tip the bike.

 

[James M]

Stage 11 lacks a real start. It's too easy IMHO but Pogacar can make differences there, specially if he attacks with 33 km to the finish.

He can just attack on the hill with the Bonus second and if he gets 5-10sec gap he is gone and c'est la vie. Might not be a stage for something like that but atleast a interesting on paper if they plan for it but doubtfull perhaps.

 

[James M]

But in what world will Remco drop Vingegaard?

in that terrain on stage 11 Remco is properly stronger than Vingegaard. And seeing as he was properly stronger at stage 4 at the end its not out of this world to think Remco can do something there imo. In the mountains sure its another thing there Vingegaard is far better ofc than Remco but the talk was of stage 11. But stage is properly not selective enough or will be ridden that way anyway so pointless. Nevertheless a fun stage even if its a breakaway win those sorta stages tends to bring excitment regardless.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He can just attack on the hill with the Bonus second and if he gets 5-10sec gap he is gone and c'est la vie. Might not be a stage for something like that but atleast a interesting on paper if they plan for it but doubtfull perhaps.

Maybe a 1km attack. A 3 minutes effort seems logic. But I don't know if he is interested of doing a solo of 32 km

 

[Jack_89]

From 2016 stage. Definitely worth a try, Remco can be an excellent ally

 

[Peyroteo94]

in that terrain on stage 11 Remco is properly stronger than Vingegaard. And seeing as he was properly stronger at stage 4 at the end its not out of this world to think Remco can do something there imo. In the mountains sure its another thing there Vingegaard is far better ofc than Remco but the talk was of stage 11. But stage is properly not selective enough or will be ridden that way anyway so pointless. Nevertheless a fun stage even if its a breakaway win those sorta stages tends to bring excitment regardless.

Remco is stronger in what world? In a GT, Vingegaard is better than Evenepoel in every single climb with more than 3 minutes. Did you see San Luca?

 

[James M]

Maybe a 1km attack. A 3 minutes effort seems logic. But I don't if he is interested of doing a solo of 32 km

32km solo I dont think its plausbile at all in the tour with such a ''easy'' stage. I was thinking more he maby will go on top of Petrus 12km to go and if he gets 5 sec its c'est la vie. If it even happens in the first place might not be close to beeing selective enough.

 

[James M]

Remco is stronger in what world? In a GT, Vingegaard is better than Evenepoel in every single climb with more than 3 minutes. Did you see San Luca?

Not by any means saying he is stronger than vingegaard in a GT im saying its not out of this world if he would be on that stage 11. This isnt San luca this is way less steep and much much more power. Big difference. San luca is not even close to beeing simular. Also stage 4 Remco seemed to have far more left than Vingegaard ? Vingegaard properly just blew up and paid for trying to follow Pogacar to long granted and was overall stronger than Remco on that stage too.
I just meant its not a shocker if Remco did good on that stage and that was all not saying I even think he will drop Vingegaard on that stage cause I dont! just saying its his kinda terrain.

If anyone does anything there I think its Pogacar only one who can do something and if he even try which properly wont happen my guess would be on top of Petrus and gas it 12km to the end. Might not be selective enough at all we was just bored of the stages today and looked ahead to where we maby could find action sorta thing.

 

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[SHAD0W93]

Maybe a 1km attack. A 3 minutes effort seems logic. But I don't know if he is interested of doing a solo of 32 km

It would be great if Evenepoel is with him and they can TT away.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It would be great if Evenepoel is with him and they can TT away.

One of interesting aspects of a 3-horse race is that if one of them feels worse the other two can cooperate then. And if those "horses" are Pogacar, Vingegaard and Evenepoel you can be sure that they can crush any hilly/mountain stage with their duo action!

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm getting nervous and anxious with all this nonsense. But in what universe is this a 3 horse race? Have these guys seen the Tour? After stage 15, Remco will be 5 minutes behind Pogacar. This is a 2 horse race and have been like this for 3 years. This is Pogacar vs Vingegaard and everyone is MILES and MILES behind!!!

 

[Froome]

One of interesting aspects of a 3-horse race is that if one of them feels worse the other two can cooperate then. And if those "horses" are Pogacar, Vingegaard and Evenepoel you can be sure that they can crush any hilly/mountain stage with their duo action!

I have the feeling that there will be big gaps between the top riders on stage 11, if the race is hard during all the stage. It will be a stage of 6 hours right? Plus the hot weather, and the stepness of the last climbs, mainly pas de peyrol.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm getting nervous and anxious with all this nonsense. But in what universe is this a 3 horse race? Have these guys seen the Tour? After stage 15, Remco will be 5 minutes behind Pogacar. This is a 2 horse race and have been like this for 3 years. This is Pogacar vs Vingegaard and everyone is MILES and MILES behind!!!

It's a 3-horse race until it isn't anymore - so at least until the Pyrenees. Pogacar & Vingegaard are obviously favoured against anyone but let's see what Remco in his best form can do. Plus let's remember that there are some doubts regarding Pog's and Vingo's durability in this race (due to Giro in legs and rushed preparations respectively).

 

[James M]

I'm getting nervous and anxious with all this nonsense. But in what universe is this a 3 horse race? Have these guys seen the Tour? After stage 15, Remco will be 5 minutes behind Pogacar. This is a 2 horse race and have been like this for 3 years. This is Pogacar vs Vingegaard and everyone is MILES and MILES behind!!!

Dont get nervous my friend. I dont think anyone is saying this is a 3 horse race for the win by any means or close to it. Vingegaard and Pogacar is next level in the mountains I dont think anyone disagree dude

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I have the feeling that there will be big gaps between the top riders on stage 11, if the race is hard during all the stage. It will be a stage of 6 hours right? Plus the hot weather, and the stepness of the last climbs, mainly pas de peyrol.

I think I initially neglected this stage but the more I look at the profile the most interesting it becomes. There should be a good fight, at least because it's the first mountain stage in a week and there are no others in its proximity.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Dont get nervous my friend. I dont think anyone is saying this is a 3 horse race for the win by any means or close to it. Vingegaard and Pogacar is next level in the mountains I dont think anyone disagree dude

No? @Krzysztof_O said that!

 

[Miha81]

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[Peyroteo94]

No one talked about this but Pogacar climbed the 8 km stretch of Galibier in 20:48. This give us a VAM of 1676,28 m/h. If we apply the formula to w/kg (this is a big if I believe), in this stretch of 6.75%, he did 6.27 w/kg (of course draft played a huge role too but head wind was important to slow down the gc group) in 20:48 minutes! This looks godly strong specially at 2351 m (mean). At sea level, Pogacar should do something like 7 w/kg for almost 21 minutes!!! This is Contador on Verbier in a tailwind! I got stunned after seeing this number.