Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Berniece]

Do you think Pogi has stage 7 ITT win in him?
Or will he just settle for ~20s loss @ Remco and ~20s win @ Vingo?

Settle? He’ll go all out and lose

 

[noob]

His instagram story etc.

I don't have insta hence can't find it without links. Is it on Pog or Remco insta?

 

[velaso montador]

Left me speechless. What a champ Pogi is!

Pogačar Smashes the Col du Galibier Record | Tour de France 2024 Stage 4 - Lanterne Rouge

Tadej Pogačar and UAE Team Emirates dominated on the intensive Col du Galibier stage, with the Slovenian taking the yellow leader's jersey and his 12th Tour de France stage victory at age 25.

lanternerouge.com

Impressive.

 

[velaso montador]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808547022405800128

View: https://twitter.com/GCKUSSfan/status/1808547022405800128


Maybe posted before but here we go

Briliant stuff and it tells alot of his status doesnt it. He truly is the king and hard to imagine him getting even bigger but yeah..

 

[velaso montador]

'Pogačar will be unreachable' - Remco Evenepoel's relaxed and realistic Tour de France approach

While his preparation for the event hasn't been smooth, Evenepoel appears calm and collected a few days before the Grand Départ in Florence

www.rouleur.cc

Love Evenpoel this Tour so far. Just finished watching last kms up and down Galibier stage cause first time was on airport on phone.. and Evenpoel looked good.

But Pogacar just woow even after the Giro its only one chance for everyone if were beeing honest to ourselfs and thats if hes injured to equal the level somewhat he is just something else its not a surprise anymore but still.

Still wouldnt surprise me if the Giro sometimes comes into the equation, memory of Froome and Contador trying it still serves me and I keep harping on it, its a reason its never been done in modern time. But the guy is just something else everyone knows that by now but still.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Love Evenpoel this Tour so far. Just finished watching last kms up and down Galibier stage cause first time was on airport on phone.. and Evenpoel looked good.

But Pogacar just woow even after the Giro its only one chance for everyone if were beeing honest to ourselfs and thats if hes injured to equal the level somewhat he is just something else its not a surprise anymore but still.

Still wouldnt surprise me if the Giro sometimes comes into the equation, memory of Froome and Contador trying it still serves me and I keep harping on it, its a reason its never been done in modern time. But the guy is just something else everyone knows that by now but still.

This is the first week. We need to wait for stage 15 to assess his real level in the mountains.

 

[scribers]

Do you think Pogi has stage 7 ITT win in him?
Or will he just settle for ~20s loss @ Remco and ~20s win @ Vingo?

I think this would be a satisfying situation you laid out. Remco has really fine tuned the discipline

 

[yaco]

Don't underestimate the damage Pogacar could do on the gravel stage. There are enough lumpy parts in the middle of the stage to make a difference if he issurrounded by strong riders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The TT looks perfect for Remco even if we have a small hill there. For most part of the route (maybe 20 km), they will go over 53 km/h so Remco will gain a lot on his extraordinary aerodynamic position. Pogacar may gain 10 seconds on the climb but he will lose those 10 eventually. I expect a 20 seconds loss to Remco. And I wouldn't bet on Vingegaard losing any time even if logic says he will lose some time (probably around 20 seconds to Pogacar), however I would never bet against Vingegaard in a Tour's TT.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Yeah I don’t know how anyone can with a straight face put a definitive number on these things. Especially given that some people perform better at altitude than others. How do you compare 27 minutes at 6.4w/kg peaking at 1555m at the end of a GT vs. 20 minutes at 6.3w/kg peaking at 2700m at the start of a GT?

According to who?


The power estimates for the genuine climb are actually the least impressive thing about the whole climb.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702069765517316528

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1702069765517316528?s=46&t=14N416zK93up_7bVPO60Ig

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Once again taking a subsplit off a bigger climb.

I looked at some power files and it stood out to me that they were doing 5W/kg on the Lautaret section. And that was Bernal, Pogacar, who's a little heavier, should've been below that.

To be clear, the question was more rhetorical and I’m agreeing with you. Here’s your guy Naichaca’s estimate of Angliru. 6.4w/kg for the full climb (41 minutes). But so many factors - stage context, race context, altitude, fatigue, unique physiological responses to altitude, etc.

Edit: And I’m looking for any excuse to post some good Roglic numbers, reliable or not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702016470404792779

View: https://x.com/naichacacycling/status/1702016470404792779?s=46&t=14N416zK93up_7bVPO60Ig

 

[velaso montador]

The TT looks perfect for Remco even of we have a small hill there. For most part of the route (maybe 20 km), they will go over 53 km/h so Remco will gain a lot on his extraordinary aerodynamic position. Pogacar may gain 10 seconds on the climb but he will lose those 10 eventually. I expect a 20 seconds loss to Remco. And I wouldn't bet on Vingegaard losing any time even if logic says he will lose some time (probably around 20 seconds to Pogacar), however I would never bet against Vingegaard in a Tour's TT.

You properly just have ptsd from that. Thats totally different that was a TT in 3 week where Jonas is absolutely great. Also you shouldnt hold so much stock into that regarding Pog. Pogacar days prior said he even had pain cause of his fracture just sitting on his bike, so by any means wasnt close to his true level by any means so shouldnt hold to much stock into that. Before that year he didnt just beat everyone he crushed them and now hes gotten to a level above expect great things.

I also suspect as many did that he didnt even ride full gas in that last giro TT. Expect Evenpoel to win indeed but dont be shocked if Pogacar do well he will be the closest for sure. If Vingegaard is within 30sec of Pogacar thats a good TT of him too.

 

[Stubb]

Don't underestimate the damage Pogacar could do on the gravel stage. There are enough lumpy parts in the middle of the stage to make a difference if he issurrounded by strong riders.

I kind of agree, Pog could make a difference there (rain the day before, likely a muddy race); but the route is similar to stage 4 of Tuor de femmes 2022 (some sectors are the same) and that stage was a puncture-fest, champagne gravel is way rougher than strade. Hopefully they've smoothed out some of it, but wouldnt' bet on anyone that day, really.

 

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[Peyroteo94]

Perfect stuff!

 

[scribers]

Ready for mustard today

 

[Krzysztof_O]

6.4 for 41 minutes seems very high to me just based on power numbers and times I've seen on Angliru in the past. I didn't check any numbers for that climb though.

Naichaca's time (41,24) is much lower than the official 42:27. Is it because he measured till the top of climb while the official is to the finish line? I don't know why it's like that. If 6.43 is true it's a huge number obviously for 41 minutes (VAM of 1855 m/h looks consistent with it) but maybe those watts estimations for climbs from ends of spectrum (super-steep, super shallow) are a bit off.

 

[Froome]

6.4 for 41 minutes seems very high to me just based on power numbers and times I've seen on Angliru in the past. I didn't check any numbers for that climb though.

Worse than that is the calculation of 6.75 w/kg in 26 minutes.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It is always better to look to climbing records and differences to opponents if we want to acknowledge a rider performance. So it is hard to me to say Roglic's performance was remarkable when he didn't drop Vingegaard and only gained 20 seconds on Kuss and Landa. Other thing important is they didn't brake Heras's record and this new generation is beating consistently climbing records, only Pantani records are surviving.
I also have a hard time seeing a peak Pogacar or peak Vingegaard not beating Kuss in this type of climb by more than a minute.

 

[Mayomaniac]

It is always better to look to climbing records and differences to opponents if we want to acknowledge a rider performance. So it is hard to me to say Roglic's performance was remarkable when he didn't drop Vingegaard and only gained 20 seconds on Kuss and Landa. Other thing important is they didn't brake Heras's record and this new generation is beating consistently climbing records, only Pantani records are surviving.
I also have a hard time seeing a peak Pogacar or peak Vingegaard not beating Kuss in this type of climb by more than a minute.

Also Vuelta Heras and 2004 Santi Perez records...

 

[Peyroteo94]

His team is a completely joke! A mechanical and his Tour is over!

 

[James M]

What happened? didnt watch the stage a bit emotional reaction? Best team in the tour so far no?
Edit: saw on twitter if it was the little part he was isolated your refering too.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

What happened? didnt watch the stage a bit emotional reaction? Best team in the tour so far no?
Edit: saw on twitter if it was the little part he was isolated your refering too.

That's likely what he was referring to yes. You'd always expect Politt and Wellens to be there.

 

[James M]

That's likely what he was referring to yes. You'd always expect Politt and Wellens to be there.

Yes ofcourse youd expect that. Sivakov aswell on paper. But might just have been a unlucky timing i have no idea regardless not good. But if I was to rate the best team so far its easily uae for me overall I dont get the hate they get, was also like this on stage 1 and 2 even tho they just executed their plan and waited for stage 4 which they executed very well on a hard headwind mountain stage with not very steep gradients which is very hard to do imo. Is the requirements for the golden boys team just higher on that team than the rest? But i get it isolated on a stage like today in a split moment should never happen with names like that ofcourse I agree.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Another stage surpassed without crashing! Now, the real Tour starts! I think his goal is to arrive at stage 14 with a gap of 1 and half minute to everyone. He can do it! Tomorrow is a big day for him!