Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Red Rick]

But at 2351m. If you put at sea level is 6.27÷0.9.
Switserland was almost a TTT from UAE.

According to who?


The power estimates for the genuine climb are actually the least impressive thing about the whole climb.

 

[Froome]

No one talked about this but Pogacar climbed the 8 km stretch of Galibier in 20:48. This give us a VAM of 1676,28 m/h. If we apply the formula to w/kg (this is a big if I believe), in this stretch of 6.75%, he did 6.27 w/kg (of course draft played a huge role too but head wind was important to slow down the gc group) in 20:48 minutes! This looks godly strong specially at 2351 m (mean). At sea level, Pogacar should do something like 7 w/kg for almost 21 minutes!!! This is Contador on Verbier in a tailwind! I got stunned after seeing this number.

The statement smell a lot like a Naichaca thing.
I am impressed with the fact he didn't overvalued that much this time.

Contador never did 7 w/kg on Verbier.
The calculation they do to sea level doesn't make sense.

 

[tobydawq]

But at 2351m. If you put at sea level is 6.27÷0.9.
Switserland was almost a TTT from UAE.

Rick has decided that altitude doesn't impact anything.

That said, considering the benefit of riding in the wheels in the headwind, I wouldn't read much into any estimates from yesterday.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The statement smell a lot like a Naichaca thing.
I am impressed with the fact he didn't overvalued that much this time.

Contador never did 7 w/kg on Verbier.
The calculation they do to sea level doesn't make sense.

Almost 6.3 w/kg for 21 minutes at 2350 m is impressive but reducing it to sea level is a hardcore job. I think some time ago someone quoted an interesting scientific article regarding this but those twitter estimations are more like mathematical fun - adjustment by almost 2.5 km is a lot and can be quite error-prone (and obviously it varies individually due to oxygen partial pressure being only one factor in the chain called organic engine).

 

[Red Rick]

Almost 6.3 w/kg for 21 minutes at 2350 m is impressive but reducing it to sea level is a hardcore job. I think some time ago someone quoted an interesting scientific article regarding this but those twitter estimations are more like mathematical fun - adjustment by almost 2.5 km is a lot and can be quite error-prone (and obviously it varies individually due to oxygen partial pressure being only one factor in the chain called organic engine).

Nearly every adjustment to sea level calculation has seemed patently riduculous. Also - it's pointless cause they won't adjust for altitude for normal climbs when even *** like Mont Caro in Catalunya isn't at sea level either.

Secondly, these people nevery give their formula, and it would be very unsurprising to me if they overestimated air resistance at atlitdue, which would be ironic. Finally, they love to overestimate shallower climbs anyway.

The second thing about altitude is it it gets colder the higher you get which increases air density at the same air pressure which in turn needs to be taken into account.


Biggest reason this adjusted number doesn't pass the basic smell test is that Pogacar didn't even paced it so extremely negatively and that it's still the final 20 minutes of a 40 minute climb.

Like for what it's worth the actual number most similar in previous years is Jai frigging Hindley on Fedaia who did like 6.4-6.5 for 19 minutes at 1700m average altitude.

 

[Froome]

Almost 6.3 w/kg for 21 minutes at 2350 m is impressive but reducing it to sea level is a hardcore job. I think some time ago someone quoted an interesting scientific article regarding this but those twitter estimations are more like mathematical fun - adjustment by almost 2.5 km is a lot and can be quite error-prone (and obviously it varies individually due to oxygen partial pressure being only one factor in the chain called organic engine).

It was a really good perfomance.

 

[snipeheem]

The statement smell a lot like a Naichaca thing.
I am impressed with the fact he didn't overvalued that much this time.

Contador never did 7 w/kg on Verbier.
The calculation they do to sea level doesn't make sense.

According to Ammatti, Contador did 6,72w/kg for 20:41

 

[James M]

Whats up with Remco's and his love for Pogacar? just checked his IG now boy has found himself a new favourite, he has ran to Pogacar everytime with everything first days seemingly looking for a best friend. I think somone is in love with Pogacar. Just kidding btw the respect is lovely to see.

 

[James M]

Mark Cavendish tells Tadej Pogacar not to break his record 🤣 #TourDeFrance #tadejpogacar #markcavendish | NBC Sports Cycling | NBC Sports Cycling · Original audio

Mark Cavendish tells Tadej Pogacar not to break his record 🤣 #TourDeFrance #tadejpogacar #markcavendish. NBC Sports Cycling · Original audio

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Hillarious. Understandable why Cav would ask him that though.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Whats up with Remco's and his love for Pogacar? just checked his IG now boy has found himself a new favourite, he has ran to Pogacar everytime with everyone looking for a best friend. I think somone is in love with Pogacar. Just kidding btw the respect is lovely to see.

Trying to butter Pogacar up like Pog did to Roglic in 2020.

 

[James M]

Trying to butter Pogacar up like Pog did to Roglic in 2020.

Well im not gonne lie it sure has feelt as Evenpoel has buttered up Pogacar from start (I would too dont get me wrong) to now from interviews weve seen and that bit on twitter after the stages about the wheelsucking he ran to him etc..But its wholesome to see the bromance nothing but respect.

 

[noob]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808547022405800128

View: https://twitter.com/GCKUSSfan/status/1808547022405800128


Maybe posted before but here we go

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Whats up with Remco's and his love for Pogacar? just checked his IG now boy has found himself a new favourite, he has ran to Pogacar everytime with everything first days seemingly looking for a best friend. I think somone is in love with Pogacar. Just kidding btw the respect is lovely to see.

Plotting dethronization of Vingo!

 

[noob]

Whats up with Remco's and his love for Pogacar? just checked his IG now boy has found himself a new favourite, he has ran to Pogacar everytime with everything first days seemingly looking for a best friend. I think somone is in love with Pogacar. Just kidding btw the respect is lovely to see.

Link?

 

[scribers]

Plotting dethronization of Vingo!

Lest we forget Vingo chasing down remco at every opportunity in the vuelta.

 

[Cookster15]

Ayuso to do a Cunego confirmed?

best Tour ever!

If Pog wins it will be the best tour ever. If Vingo still somehow wins after all his injuries and lost training time ….

 

[snipeheem]

If Pog wins it will be the best tour ever. If Vingo still somehow wins after all his injuries and lost training time ….

Miracle!

 

[jmdirt]

He almost crashed... Jesus Christ!

That was soooo close! I didn't see JC though.

 

[pihi42]

Do you think Pogi has stage 7 ITT win in him?
Or will he just settle for ~20s loss @ Remco and ~20s win @ Vingo?

 

[Cookster15]

Link?

'Pogačar will be unreachable' - Remco Evenepoel's relaxed and realistic Tour de France approach

Remco Evenepoel has one eye on the Belgium vs Ukraine Euro 2024 football match while he fields questions about what he expects from his first ever Tour de France. At one point, he stumbles mid-sentence and apologises for the slight pause that follows, explaining to journalists that it was...

www.rouleur.cc

 

[Red Lobster]

Do you think Pogi has stage 7 ITT win in him?
Or will he just settle for ~20s loss @ Remco and ~20s win @ Vingo?

The latter, although I suspect the gaps both ways will be larger.

 

[James M]

Link?

His instagram story etc.

 

[Berniece]

Do you think Pogi has stage 7 ITT win in him?
Or will he just settle for ~20s loss @ Remco and ~20s win @ Vingo?

Settle? He’ll go all out and lose

 

[noob]

His instagram story etc.

I don't have insta hence can't find it without links. Is it on Pog or Remco insta?

 

[velaso montador]

Left me speechless. What a champ Pogi is!

Pogačar Smashes the Col du Galibier Record | Tour de France 2024 Stage 4 - Lanterne Rouge

Tadej Pogačar and UAE Team Emirates dominated on the intensive Col du Galibier stage, with the Slovenian taking the yellow leader's jersey and his 12th Tour de France stage victory at age 25.

lanternerouge.com

Impressive.