Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

This makes no sense. Jonas beat him in 2022 with a gap. Both of them improved their numbers and he beat him again in 2023 with a bigger gap. In the spring 2024 he showed strong improvement compared to 2023 and then crashed heavily in Spain. Without this he might have had the same improvement as Pogacar and beaten him - even Landa or Jorgenson had higher improvements than Jonas this year.

No one has taken this on probably because there is a lot to unpack. To make it simple, 2024 pogi is very different than any version of him previously. The main reason is he changed coaches. And the word is that brought us a preview of this year before it happened, is that Pogi will continue to improve into next year and is likely unstoppable on pure present ability terms until 2030 at the earliest.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Of course now the narrative is that Remco is not in great shape even after he said how close to top shape he was prior to the worlds. he is just facing a better rider and he knows he can't beat him so he is suffering a psychological blow

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

No one has taken this on probably because there is a lot to unpack. To make it simple, 2024 pogi is very different than any version of him previously. The main reason is he changed coaches. And the word is that brought us a preview of this year before it happened, is that Pogi will continue to improve into next year and is likely unstoppable on pure present ability terms until 2030 at the earliest.

The main reason is surely that at 26 he is at or near his physical peak. And seemingly the dissappointments of the last couple of tours made him take on this year with an extreme singlemindedness. If hes not challenged, I imagine he could be able to keep that for a year or two at most at some point complacency, boredom, other priorities in life are likely to kick in. No one keeps this going forever, and its always surprising how quick things change in sports.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The main reason is surely that at 26 he is at or near his physical peak. And seemingly the dissappointments of the last couple of tours made him take on this year with an extreme singlemindedness. If hes not challenged, I imagine he could be able to keep that for a year or two at most at some point complacency, boredom, other priorities in life are likely to kick in. No one keeps this going forever, and its always surprising how quick things change in sports.

Yeah, Vingegaard was the trigger point to this mutant season.

 

[scribers]

His new coach completely changed his approach to preparation rather than any particular fixation with losses to Vingo, as evidenced by his schedule including the Giro.

And yes, everything can change in a blink of an eye. This sport is very dangerous. I'd like to see him spend less time on hoods while descending.

 

[vwpe]

Yes he already was the best cyclist in the world by a huge margin then this and his new coach and this we see now is just out of this world how good he has become.. Its hard to descripe if you havent ridden in a pro peloton just how much better you gotte be to stay away for 100km as the main fav in a field like that. Its honestly shocking.

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

I do wonder though, about these long solos. He's not the only rider to start doing it. I wonder if equipment, fuelling, races being hard from kilometre zero and aero improvements might have changed the calculation somewhat.

 

[scribers]

Long solos eliminates chance as an outcome factor, so long as you are strong enough to stay away. Very few people can do this effort to say the least of it.

 

[2WpK]

Of course now the narrative is that Remco is not in great shape even after he said how close to top shape he was prior to the worlds. he is just facing a better rider and he knows he can't beat him so he is suffering a psychological blow

Agreed. I like Remco but he is a bit fragile psychologically.

 

[snipeheem]

This makes no sense. Jonas beat him in 2022 with a gap. Both of them improved their numbers and he beat him again in 2023 with a bigger gap. In the spring 2024 he showed strong improvement compared to 2023 and then crashed heavily in Spain. Without this he might have had the same improvement as Pogacar and beaten him - even Landa or Jorgenson had higher improvements than Jonas this year.

Thats your opinion, mine is different. Nobody will stop the goat for couple more years. We are watching the goat at peak of powers.

 

[James M]

Thats your opinion, mine is different. Nobody will stop the goat for couple more years. We are watching the goat at peak of powers.

Goes without saying thats a pipe dream it couldnt be more obvious after this year, not that it ever was anything else than hopeful thinking like some wanted to believe which everyone said imo. He is just in a different league always has been and it takes a x factor thing to him to beat him for everyone. Nevermind now, now he is in a different stratosphere than everyone else.

 

[Oldermanish]

Remco said he was in great shape. He suffered a huge blow in Zurich and for that reason he has been s#it in these italian classics

To my point. Remco says he was in great shape...past tense.

 

[iBanesto]

Wonder if Pogacar will finally get nominated for Laureus Sportsman of the Year.

 

[AmRacer]

To my point. Remco says he was in great shape...past tense.

The shape vanished quickly.

 

[Red Rick]

The shape vanished quickly.

He just said that before the Worlds. Talk big ahead of target. Whatever.

He said he was hitting his numbers in intervals. While being heavier. And it says nothing about endurance.

 

[theyoungest]

Goes without saying thats a pipe dream it couldnt be more obvious after this year, not that it ever was anything else than hopeful thinking like some wanted to believe which everyone said imo. He is just in a different league always has been and it takes a x factor thing to him to beat him for everyone. Nevermind now, now he is in a different stratosphere than everyone else.

Yes, it's wishful thinking to believe he can be beaten, after all he won the TDF 5 times in a row now

 

[James M]

Yes, it's wishful thinking to believe he can be beaten, after all he won the TDF 5 times in a row now

*without and X factor.

Nevermind now, Now i think which the numbers also say very clear he is in a completely different league than anyone else. The numbers never lie, its not rocket science. Also eyes dont lie watching it it isnt exactly close.

 

[James M]

This Tre Valli Varesine, its all about Lombardia and they ride it in such fashion im sure aswell. Are the weather forecast expected to be the same on Saturday?

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[Krzysztof_O]

So Tre Valli calcelled. No more racing in terrible weather and full focus on Lombardy now. @James M Saturday will be much better, some rain showers possible but generally it should be ok. Around 17 degrees near Lago di Como and likely around 10 degrees one kilometer higher (Sormano area).

 

[scribers]

The race itself quit today in the face of pogi onslaught

 

[AmRacer]

The race itself quit today in the face of pogi onslaught

Pogi cannot get #26 now.

 

[scribers]

It’s better he keeps all of his bullets for Lombardia

 

[rallybanana]

Wonder if Pogacar will finally get nominated for Laureus Sportsman of the Year.

I never heard of this award before. Looking at its Wikipedia page it appears that the judges are mostly tennis fans.

 

[BigCoward]

I never heard of this award before. Looking at its Wikipedia page it appears that the judges are mostly tennis fans.

And Messi. 8 nominations compared to 2 for CR7.

 

[James M]

So Tre Valli calcelled. No more racing in terrible weather and full focus on Lombardy now. @James M Saturday will be much better, some rain showers possible but generally it should be ok. Around 17 degrees near Lago di Como and likely around 10 degrees one kilometer higher (Sormano area).

Sounds good. Especially since that race can have a extra significant historic meaning than normal this year.