Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

You can't be serious. It bike RACING. The "right thing" for Pogacar is to win races. People need to stop whining about that. Nobody gifts wins anymore to non-teammates. Also, he gave him the shirt after Pellizzari asked for his glasses.

Scrutiny around Pogacar is insane. Everyone expect him to be perfect and people put a lot of pressure in him. It is clear he can't impress everyone, if he does one thing, someone will criticize him, if he does the opposite, someone will criticize him too. Meanwhile a guy like Vingegaard can do whatever he wants, running away from the spotlight, "ignoring" fans, living his life normally and no one takes anything from him.
Remco has a lot of childhood behaves but somehow "it is part of his personality" and some people excuse him for being like that.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Scrutiny around Pogacar is insane. Everyone expect him to be perfect and people put a lot of pressure in him. It is clear he can't impress everyone, if he does one thing, someone will criticize him, if he does the opposite, someone will criticize him too. Meanwhile a guy like Vingegaard can do whatever he wants, running away from the spotlight, "ignoring" fans, living his life normally and no one takes anything from him.
Remco has a lot of childhood behaves but somehow "it is part of his personality" and some people excuse him for being like that.

Vingegaard does get a lot of hate, too. Otherwise I haven't been doing my job right.

I don't know whether Pogačar was hyped less due to his nationality. I probably wouldn't have heard of him prior to his l'Avenir win if he hadn't been mentioned among top talents at the time.
Of course with what he has achieved since then in mind, then he obviously wasn't talked up enough, but then I also doubt many, if any, had expected his career to skyrocket like this.

 

[Netserk]

Scrutiny around Pogacar is insane. Everyone expect him to be perfect and people put a lot of pressure in him. It is clear he can't impress everyone, if he does one thing, someone will criticize him, if he does the opposite, someone will criticize him too. Meanwhile a guy like Vingegaard can do whatever he wants, running away from the spotlight, "ignoring" fans, living his life normally and no one takes anything from him.
Remco has a lot of childhood behaves but somehow "it is part of his personality" and some people excuse him for being like that.

Pogi gets less hate than both Vingegaard and Bambi.

And there's nothing exceptional about different people complaining about different things.

 

[Salvarani]

Scrutiny around Pogacar is insane. Everyone expect him to be perfect and people put a lot of pressure in him. It is clear he can't impress everyone, if he does one thing, someone will criticize him, if he does the opposite, someone will criticize him too. Meanwhile a guy like Vingegaard can do whatever he wants, running away from the spotlight, "ignoring" fans, living his life normally and no one takes anything from him.
Remco has a lot of childhood behaves but somehow "it is part of his personality" and some people excuse him for being like that.

Very accurate

 

[Peyroteo94]

First Pogenheimer!

 

[Peyroteo94]

3 wins already. This winning machine doesn't stop!

 

[Salvarani]

Congratz GOAT!

Another big win

 

[Shortcut]

So no stage racing until Dauphine comfirmed.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He run out of energy in the last km but still a great performance. Clearly the best right now!

 

[rafa92]

there is something really wrong about the new bike, it seems very heavy (it should be 7.45kg based on a gcn italia video), plus it forces a strange position. Pog has a really different and less effective pedal stroke (it seems). Lower cadence, much more power focused. I really hope he never uses this bike throughout the season. If you look at all the races UAE took part in (except UAE tour), they never used this bike, not even in sprint stages (look for example at algarve this week, even in sprint stages they all used v4rs). My worry is that since pog is the image of the team he will be forced to use this garbage. Colnago really has to step up, pog does not need an aero bike, he needs for now just v4rs and for the future an improved version of v4rs. Much improved since v4rs is quite bad compared to other non aero bikes in the peloton, but still for Tadej this year is much better than y1rs

 

[Salvarani]

He run out of energy in the last km but still a great performance. Clearly the best right now!

Feel like he just took it easy in the end and celebrated early.

Definitely the best!

 

[AmRacer]

90th and 91st win

 

[Peyroteo94]

there is something really wrong about the new bike, it seems very heavy (it should be 7.45kg based on a gcn italia video), plus it forces a strange position. Pog has a really different and less effective pedal stroke (it seems). Lower cadence, much more power focused. I really hope he never uses this bike throughout the season. If you look at all the races UAE took part in (except UAE tour), they never used this bike, not even in sprint stages (look for example at algarve this week, even in sprint stages they all used v4rs). My worry is that since pog is the image of the team he will be forced to use this garbage. Colnago really has to step up, pog does not need an aero bike, he needs for now just v4rs and for the future an improved version of v4rs. Much improved since v4rs is quite bad compared to other non aero bikes in the peloton, but still for Tadej this year is much better than y1rs

What?

 

[Bombarolo]

there is something really wrong about the new bike, it seems very heavy (it should be 7.45kg based on a gcn italia video), plus it forces a strange position. Pog has a really different and less effective pedal stroke (it seems). Lower cadence, much more power focused. I really hope he never uses this bike throughout the season. If you look at all the races UAE took part in (except UAE tour), they never used this bike, not even in sprint stages (look for example at algarve this week, even in sprint stages they all used v4rs). My worry is that since pog is the image of the team he will be forced to use this garbage. Colnago really has to step up, pog does not need an aero bike, he needs for now just v4rs and for the future an improved version of v4rs. Much improved since v4rs is quite bad compared to other non aero bikes in the peloton, but still for Tadej this year is much better than y1rs

They won't use a bike if he is significantly slower with it.
Maybe they still need to understand the best setup and this is why they are testing it.

 

[rafa92]

They won't use a bike if he is significantly slower with it.
Maybe they still need to understand the best setup and this is why they are testing it.

maybe but why do you think they haven't used it in other races, not even in sprint stages?

 

[Mayomaniac]

maybe but why do you think they haven't used it in other races, not even in sprint stages?

Rumour has it that the inbred bike has poor stiffness in the smaller bottom bracket area.

 

[Monsi]

He run out of energy in the last km but still a great performance. Clearly the best right now!

He visibly eased off in the final few hundred meters. He could've went faster if he wanted to but there was no need.

 

[rafa92]

maybe but why do you think they haven't used it in other races, not even in sprint stages?

also in ruta del sol I have never seen any UAE rider use it, same for down under, algarve, and all the one day races of this period

 

[Peyroteo94]

He visibly eased off in the final few hundred meters. He could've went faster if he wanted to but there was no need.

Probably but he doesn't seem in top shape right now which is normal

 

[Mina.S]

I definitely feel like something is up with the new bike. The women’s team didn’t use it for the climbing stage a few weeks ago. I’m more interested if they will keep racing it, especially in races like the tour if the riders aren’t as comfortable on it? Maybe they just need to do some more tweaks to position and such.

They also got a new saddle sponsor which might have changed a few things.

 

[rafa92]

I definitely feel like something is up with the new bike. The women’s team didn’t use it for the climbing stage a few weeks ago. I’m more interested if they will keep racing it, especially in races like the tour if the riders aren’t as comfortable on it? Maybe they just need to do some more tweaks to position and such.

They also got a new saddle sponsor which might have changed a few things.

well for climbing stages I have no doubt they will never use it, or at least I hope. The fact that they used it only in UAE and also on jabel hafeet where such a heavy bike is clearly bad tells me that there are clearly marketing reasons behind, I just hope they will only be a factor in UAE tour, and for the remainder of the season pog never uses it, except maybe for entirely flat races

 

[Mina.S]

well for climbing stages I have no doubt they will never use it, or at least I hope. The fact that they used it only in UAE and also on jabel hafeet where such a heavy bike is clearly bad tells me that there are clearly marketing reasons behind, I just hope they will only be a factor in UAE tour, and for the remainder of the season pog never uses it, except maybe for entirely flat races

They didn’t use it for the climbing stage at Algarve so there is hope

 

[Rou]

I will write again later after we see Vingegaard's level at Algarve but Pog's level this week has not been impressive at all.

 

[hayneplane]

also in ruta del sol I have never seen any UAE rider use it, same for down under, algarve, and all the one day races of this period

Yes but they were debuting it here at their home race with the biggest rider in the world to showcase it in the rainbow stripes.

If the rest of the team don’t use it in the next races then something more suspect is happening in regards the bike.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I will write again later after we see Vingegaard's level at Algarve but Pog's level this week has not been impressive at all.

Wait for SB. He has been better than everyone else mate and he is training more to classics. Last year, he just competed in March so I will wait for March to compare him.