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Berniece

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WC, Mathieu had his issues and another 2022 Pogi bad tactical decision letting Remco go.

Olympics RR, Mathieu wasn't at his best and Wout helped Remco a lot.

What's the excuses for Remco not winning more GT's?
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Sure even more excuses. When Pogacar loses, excuses. When Evenepoel wins, excuses.

Which GT did Remco need to win? Giro 2021 he wasn't good enough. Vuelta 2022 he won. Giro 2023 he was sick with Covid. Vuelta 2023 he wasn't good enough. TDF 2024 he wasn't good enough. I can actually say it when the rider I prefer isn't good enough.
 
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Sure even more excuses. When Pogacar loses, excuses. When Evenepoel wins, excuses.

Which GT did Remco need to win? Giro 2021 he wasn't good enough. Vuelta 2022 he won. Giro 2023 he was sick with Covid. Vuelta 2023 he wasn't good enough. TDF 2024 he wasn't good enough. That's the difference between me, an Evenepoel fan, and whatever this cult is. I can actually say it when the rider I prefer isn't good enough.
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To be GOAT, you must learn from your failures. Tadej learned a lot from 2022 when he did 3 big mistakes.
 
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Tadej learned a lot from 2022 when he did 3 big mistakes.
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Well you were the one dragging Evenepoel into the conversation thinking I was going to give excuses. None we given.

Tadej indeed made mistakes, and he clearly learned from it. Didn't see him fail once in 2024. Best season we will see coming from this generation of riders. Doesn't mean we have to find excuses for past failures though. It's not like he was this good pre-2024.
 
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Well you were the one dragging Evenepoel into the conversation thinking I was going to give excuses. None we given.

Tadej indeed made mistakes, and he clearly learned from it. Didn't see him fail once in 2024. Best season we will see coming from this generation of riders. Doesn't mean we have to find excuses for past failures though. It's not like he was this good pre-2024.
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You gave excuses, which proves my point.

Your second paragraph is a contradiction.
 
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Wow....
I watch a lot of women's cycling and I like it. However, the fact remains that Pog (and any other male) is ineligible to race in the women's race. Therefore, amongst the eligible people, Pog is the first world champion to win the race. Just a statistic (and I do not care too much about such statistics I might add). The way I see it is that he said that in order to endear himself to the masses so to speak. All whilst destroying everybody without breaking a sweat (and making himself unpopular in many eyes amongst which, mine).

I am not much for giving unsolicited advice but you might wanna check yourself out...
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Neither he nor I are pandering in any way. If you actually watched his statement, it came from a genuine place, from my assessment, and the point he made was warranted.

The topic of women in sport is also pretty important to me. My wife is a very talented cyclist, and some of the sh!t comments she has endured, grate on me. I once had a guy ask me before a ride, if it bothered me that my wife was faster than me. My response was that she is also faster than him. He is a former masters crit racer form Southern CA. He gave me a smirk and gave a "yeah right" inflection with his mouth. This was his first ride with our group. About halfway through the ride, there is about a 40-45 minute long dirt climb (It takes me almost an hour). My wife is one of those cyclists who can just climb effortlessly. She starts up the climb, and Mr. Masters racer is on her wheel. They were waiting on us when we got to the top of the climb. I asked her later what happened, and she said she dropped him about half way up, while seated, while talking to him. After that, there was a 30 minute or so climb. She dropped him on that one too while talking to him, for good measure, and didn't wait this time. He saw her about a month later, and said that he was dong 350 watts to stay on her wheel, and he still got dropped. She responded that she wasn't feeling great that day, so she was glad he was able to hang on as much as he did. Dude still hasn't come back out for one of our rides. Fortunately, most of the people we ride with, know her talent, and give her tons of respect.

I have MANY times witnessed men unsolicitedly mansplain things to women cyclists, who have tons of experience, and don't need their advice. We are blessed where I live, to have a plethora of very talented female cyclists (one a former Unbound winner), and women runners (Western States is in our backyard). They all experience minimalization of their accomplishments, and dismissive attitudes. It's infuriating to see, and I don't hold my opinions back in real life, as I don't here.

Tadej was bothersome to me for the exact reason you mentioned. He won me over with his genuine and heartfelt point he made to the reporter. As Scribers wrote, I don't think the reporter was being overtly misogynistic, but highlighting the fact that the accomplishments of women athletes are diminished and ignored is a real issue IMO. You may not see it, but you might wanna check yourself out...
 
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Red Rick said:
Mihai Simion has it at 5.7km so 38 kph average. Curiously enough that's a higher VAM than the Poggio record, but the lower gradient and the switchbacks of the Poggio make lower the speed there considerably.

In my view Pogacar's best bet is a late attack in a reduced group, normally the Poggio is too easy for Pogacar to drop everyone on, and even then there's a problem of getting enough of a gap so nobody catches you.

I kinda feel like Philipsen is just gonna repeat this year
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If MVP races like a loser and gives him the win, yes.
 
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Neither he nor I are pandering in any way. If you actually watched his statement, it came from a genuine place, from my assessment, and the point he made was warranted.

The topic of women in sport is also pretty important to me. My wife is a very talented cyclist, and some of the sh!t comments she has endured, grate on me. I once had a guy ask me before a ride, if it bothered me that my wife was faster than me. My response was that she is also faster than him. He is a former masters crit racer form Southern CA. He gave me a smirk and gave a "yeah right" inflection with his mouth. This was his first ride with our group. About halfway through the ride, there is about a 40-45 minute long dirt climb (It takes me almost an hour). My wife is one of those cyclists who can just climb effortlessly. She starts up the climb, and Mr. Masters racer is on her wheel. They were waiting on us when we got to the top of the climb. I asked her later what happened, and she said she dropped him about half way up, while seated, while talking to him. After that, there was a 30 minute or so climb. She dropped him on that one too while talking to him, for good measure, and didn't wait this time. He saw her about a month later, and said that he was dong 350 watts to stay on her wheel, and he still got dropped. She responded that she wasn't feeling great that day, so she was glad he was able to hang on as much as he did. Dude still hasn't come back out for one of our rides. Fortunately, most of the people we ride with, know her talent, and give her tons of respect.

I have MANY times witnessed men unsolicitedly mansplain things to women cyclists, who have tons of experience, and don't need their advice. We are blessed where I live, to have a plethora of very talented female cyclists (one a former Unbound winner), and women runners (Western States is in our backyard). They all experience minimalization of their accomplishments, and dismissive attitudes. It's infuriating to see, and I don't hold my opinions back in real life, as I don't here.

Tadej was bothersome to me for the exact reason you mentioned. He won me over with his genuine and heartfelt point he made to the reporter. As Scribers wrote, I don't think the reporter was being overtly misogynistic, but highlighting the fact that the accomplishments of women athletes are diminished and ignored is a real issue IMO. You may not see it, but you might wanna check yourself out...
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Nice story. I am glad your wife is enjoying cycling. However, it is very near sighted of you to do the same thing as that guy did. You have no idea who I am, who I have raced against and what I think about women in cycling or women's sports in general. I will leave it at that.
Idk how genuine and heartfelt his point was, I said it in his second or third post race interview after he has been asked about it many times. It is not beyond belief that somebody told him to say that in order to endear himself to the spectators. But even if he said it himself that does not change the fact that he is the first world champion to win there in the sport he is competing. That, in no way diminishes woman's cycling.
 
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Neither he nor I are pandering in any way. If you actually watched his statement, it came from a genuine place, from my assessment, and the point he made was warranted.

The topic of women in sport is also pretty important to me. My wife is a very talented cyclist, and some of the sh!t comments she has endured, grate on me. I once had a guy ask me before a ride, if it bothered me that my wife was faster than me. My response was that she is also faster than him. He is a former masters crit racer form Southern CA. He gave me a smirk and gave a "yeah right" inflection with his mouth. This was his first ride with our group. About halfway through the ride, there is about a 40-45 minute long dirt climb (It takes me almost an hour). My wife is one of those cyclists who can just climb effortlessly. She starts up the climb, and Mr. Masters racer is on her wheel. They were waiting on us when we got to the top of the climb. I asked her later what happened, and she said she dropped him about half way up, while seated, while talking to him. After that, there was a 30 minute or so climb. She dropped him on that one too while talking to him, for good measure, and didn't wait this time. He saw her about a month later, and said that he was dong 350 watts to stay on her wheel, and he still got dropped. She responded that she wasn't feeling great that day, so she was glad he was able to hang on as much as he did. Dude still hasn't come back out for one of our rides. Fortunately, most of the people we ride with, know her talent, and give her tons of respect.

I have MANY times witnessed men unsolicitedly mansplain things to women cyclists, who have tons of experience, and don't need their advice. We are blessed where I live, to have a plethora of very talented female cyclists (one a former Unbound winner), and women runners (Western States is in our backyard). They all experience minimalization of their accomplishments, and dismissive attitudes. It's infuriating to see, and I don't hold my opinions back in real life, as I don't here.

Tadej was bothersome to me for the exact reason you mentioned. He won me over with his genuine and heartfelt point he made to the reporter. As Scribers wrote, I don't think the reporter was being overtly misogynistic, but highlighting the fact that the accomplishments of women athletes are diminished and ignored is a real issue IMO. You may not see it, but you might wanna check yourself out...
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Now, we are all curious to know who is your wife eheheh
 
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Idk how genuine and heartfelt his point was
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I understand it's become the norm to consider any expression of support or solidarity with causes not strictly self-serving fundamentally suspect and most probably hypocritical. It drives me crazy in general, because it's just a ploy to insinuate that we're all, deep inside, just as bad as the worst guy. In this case it makes even less sense because the guy is literally in a relationship with a female cyclist, and seems to spend a bit of time following and promoting it. What is really more likely here, that seeing womens sport up close has made him care about it, or that he 'really' does not care but goes out of his way to 'pander' to the masses of - ehm - women's cycling fans?

Sorry about the last joke, I'm not meaning to be sarcastic, I just think its a pity we have to discredit it whenever athletes stand for something, while were completely fine with the large large majority of cases where they silently consent to all kinds of shitty sportswashing. The worlds best cyclist repeatedly talking up women's cycling is a good thing, whatever his inner thoughts are or where his heart is.
 
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I understand it's become the norm to consider any expression of support or solidarity with causes not strictly self-serving fundamentally suspect and most probably hypocritical. It drives me crazy in general, because it's just a ploy to insinuate that we're all, deep inside, just as bad as the worst guy. In this case it makes even less sense because the guy is literally in a relationship with a female cyclist, and seems to spend a bit of time following and promoting it. What is really more likely here, that seeing womens sport up close has made him care about it, or that he 'really' does not care but goes out of his way to 'pander' to the masses of - ehm - women's cycling fans?

Sorry about the last joke, I'm not meaning to be sarcastic, I just think its a pity we have to discredit it whenever athletes stand for something, while were completely fine with the large large majority of cases where they silently consent to all kinds of shitty sportswashing. The worlds best cyclist repeatedly talking up women's cycling is a good thing, whatever his inner thoughts are or where his heart is.
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Look, I am all for popularizing female cycling and all cycling in general. It needs to be done and he has the platform to do it. However, whenever he has tried to be "nice" in the past it has always seemed a little disingenuous. I mean the guy is a cannibal and I would like him better if he stayed true to his colors. I am too lazy now to search for quotes but his trying to be a nice a present guy is not to my liking. Just go on destroying everybody and let me root for the underdog as far as I am concerned. Therefore, I believe his remark was said in the same vain. Maybe I am wrong but it is what it is. An it does not change the fact that it is factually incorrect to say that he is not the first WC to win there.
 
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Now, we are all curious to know who is your wife eheheh
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She's a Nor Cal age group cyclist. She almost always podiums, and usually wins...but this year, she is doing national races, so we will see how she fares. She tends to get stronger the longer she rides, so I think she'll do okay at Unbound, Lost and Found (which she won her age group last year, and was top 10 overall, and will race the Pro category this year), and Leadville. I'll be updating her races in the Gravel section.

A couple of years ago, we were watching the US women's olympic track and field trials, in the 800 meters. Her PB in high school would have gotten her into the race...but we are both a bit older than high school now...
 
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Nice story. I am glad your wife is enjoying cycling. However, it is very near sighted of you to do the same thing as that guy did. You have no idea who I am, who I have raced against and what I think about women in cycling or women's sports in general. I will leave it at that.
Idk how genuine and heartfelt his point was, I said it in his second or third post race interview after he has been asked about it many times. It is not beyond belief that somebody told him to say that in order to endear himself to the spectators. But even if he said it himself that does not change the fact that he is the first world champion to win there in the sport he is competing. That, in no way diminishes woman's cycling.
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You described women's cycling as a different sport. I'm not reading anything into your comments that isn't blatantly obvious. Like you said, you might want to check yourself out...

All the type of post you made does for me, is concentrate my belief that Tadej is just the type of champion this sport needs. Sure, it would be nice if he had competition, but he is a great ambassador for the sport.
 
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