Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

2018 was cold and rainy but it cleared up in the finale.

*checks who won that last year*

*decides it is not worth to imply luck was involved*

 

[Salvarani]

Let's see (as @Salvarani said) if MVP will get half of criticism Pogacar got for being in the break.

Doubtful, as they would then have to have the same opinion for the same sort of thing independent on what rider they are talking about.

 

[Red Rick]

So pretty much none of the current crop of contenders have ever ridden that distance in bad weather or had to cope with the Poggio descent in very sketchy conditions.

They've all done 6 hour cold rainy races it's nothing special. It's still zone 1.

Rain makes a difference physiologically, but they've all done such efforts.

Wet Poggio descent does make a difference.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Doubtful, as they would then have to have the same opinion for the same sort of thing independent on what rider they are talking about.

A standard that a number of people hereabouts would find it difficult to adhere to.

 

[Salvarani]

They've all done 6 hour cold rainy races it's nothing special. It's still zone 1.

Rain makes a difference physiologically, but they've all done such efforts.

Wet Poggio descent does make a difference.

I think if it would rain the whole time during the race it would affect the riders a lot.

 

[Salvarani]

It will be fun to see UAE and Pog try to make the race hard or attack in MSR. It brings an extra element to the race. Successful or not, it makes the race much more exciting.

 

[Unchained]

But what is the difference of doing PR now or in 2/3 years?

The obvious answer is that he would have won Paris Roubaix..a coveted win that most riders find significant, and age. Many parts of Pogacar history will possibly happen before 27th birthday

 

[scribers]

The primary difference would be 2/3 more attempts to win it

 

[Peyroteo94]

So pretty much none of the current crop of contenders have ever ridden that distance in bad weather or had to cope with the Poggio descent in very sketchy conditions.

But we will have rain on Saturday?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Doubtful, as they would then have to have the same opinion for the same sort of thing independent on what rider they are talking about.

I would love to have a time machine to go after Pogacar's retirement and see people's opinion.

 

[YavorD]

I would love to have a time machine to go after Pogacar's retirement and see people's opinion.

You will probably have some people complaining about route change and that would be understandable.

That, however, is not needed (let alone necessary) now, as MSR is likely the most competitive, unpredictable and interesting monument right now. With the widest set of riders, with different skills having a chance to win it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You will probably have some people complaining about route change and that would be understandable.

That, however, is not needed (let alone necessary) now, as MSR is likely the most competitive, unpredictable and interesting monument right now. With the widest set of riders, with different skills having a chance to win it.

My point is: when Manie was introduced, we also had a unpredictable race.

 

[Red Rick]

My point is: when Manie was introduced, we also had a unpredictable race.

Le Manie isn't in the final, and the most impact it had was splits through crashes on the descent.

 

[YavorD]

My point is: when Manie was introduced, we also had a unpredictable race.

But we have it now as well. What you're asking for now is to change a winning formula.

Also, I bet you and Salvarani wouldn't be half as vocal about a route change if Pogacar won the race twice so far, so that's how opinions vary depending on situation.

 

[Salvarani]

But we have it now as well. What you're asking for now is to change a winning formula.

Also, I bet you and Salvarani wouldn't be half as vocal about a route change if Pogacar won the race twice so far, so that's how opinions vary depending on situation.

Every race makes tweaks and every race does it. All the monuments and other races has had major changes over the years.

What is evident is you dont want to because you dont want to see Pog winning and is afraid this would only benefit him. Dont be scared and so focused on him. There are a lot of good riders out there.

I am also not saying they should change the route, just that it wouldnt be strange at all if they did as they also have done multiple times.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Le Manie isn't in the final, and the most impact it had was splits through crashes on the descent.

Exactly! It can be a interesting point in the race without being decisive at all. Teams can attack there but without it, we have 270 km of nothing

 

[Salvarani]

Exactly! It can be a interesting point in the race without being decisive at all. Teams can attack there but without it, we have 270 km of nothing

You cant change even one km of MSR going forward, while other monuments changes the finishing town and route altogether to mix it up every now and then.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But we have it now as well. What you're asking for now is to change a winning formula.

Also, I bet you and Salvarani wouldn't be half as vocal about a route change if Pogacar won the race twice so far, so that's how opinions vary depending on situation.

Yavor, I always was very critical about removing Manie. This race needs more opportunities for attackers to be successful without jeopardizing sprinters (who can climb well) opportunities.
For example, Cavendish won MSR with Manie in the race.
I'm very critical about the addition of Cauberg as the last climb (like in the Gilbert era) and this will make even a more predictable and suited race to Pogacar. So this doesn't have anything to do with Pogacar.

 

[Froome]

My point is: when Manie was introduced, we also had a unpredictable race.

Last time Manie was in MSR we where in 2013, 12 years ago.

The climb was far from the finish line (95 km from the finish).

The beauty of the races is the different type of route. Not every race and momument should have climbs or steep climbs.

Not every monument should be LBL.

Every race has is own beauty and difference characteristics.

 

[Salvarani]

Yavor, I always was very critical about removing Manie. This race needs more opportunities for attackers to be successful without jeopardizing sprinters (who can climb well) opportunities.
For example, Cavendish won MSR with Manie in the race.
I'm very critical about the addition of Cauberg as the last climb (like in the Gilbert era) and this will make even a more predictable and suited race to Pogacar. So this doesn't have anything to do with Pogacar.

It has been in the race before, just because it was a while ago doesnt mean they cant do it again at some point. It is up to the organizer.

It wouldnt change the race at all, because Le Manie is very much a part of the history of the race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But we have it now as well. What you're asking for now is to change a winning formula.

Also, I bet you and Salvarani wouldn't be half as vocal about a route change if Pogacar won the race twice so far, so that's how opinions vary depending on situation.

Winning formula? Do you remember how people were upset with removing Manie and not introducing Pompeiana?
What winning formula? A race that allows Demare to have a opportunity to win a monument should be automatically changed.

 

[Froome]

Winning formula? Do you remember how people were upset with removing Manie and not introducing Pompeiana?
What winning formula? A race that allows Demare to have a opportunity to win a monument should be automatically changed.

Why demare can't have a opportunity to win a monument?

 

[Salvarani]

Winning formula? Do you remember how people were upset with removing Manie and not introducing Pompeiana?
What winning formula? A race that allows Demare to have a opportunity to win a monument should be automatically changed.

They would probably want to remove Cipressa as well if they could.

 

[YavorD]

Winning formula? Do you remember how people were upset with removing Manie and not introducing Pompeiana?
What winning formula? A race that allows Demare to have a opportunity to win a monument should be automatically changed.

Current crop of riders is the winning formula.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They would probably want to remove Cipressa as well if they could.

I think Cipressa was introduced in 1982 so we have more editions without Cipressa than with Cipressa. I don't get why people get too attached to MSR's route.