Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

According to mou how they are trained is no longer his option

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Nah, an attack in Cipressa would be greater.

I agree completely. In fact, I thought today that may just be what happens, and he climbs Poggio by himself.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I agree completely. In fact, I thought today that may just be what happens, and he climbs Poggio by himself.

I just hope for rain to have even more carnage.

 

[Peyroteo94]

A lot of their young riders are still trained by San Millán

UAE is firing in all cylinders with multiple riders. Both Sola or San Milan riders are delivering results and incredible performances.

 

[2WpK]

According to Tom Boonen, Pogacar won’t be riding Roubaix this year. Because Colnago is preparing something and that won’t be for this year. He couldn’t say more.

Great, that's what we really need.....another new bike from Colnago. (sarcasm)

 

[Unchained]

So is there a peak for Paris Roubaix? Cycling News had Sean Kelly opinion piece that said Pogacar should not do the race..and others are saying risk reward is not there and Roubaix is too risky.. I have not been able to follow if he has committed

 

[scribers]

Sean Kelly is just nuts. Everyone in his time road P-R. Everyone

 

[scribers]

So is there a peak for Paris Roubaix? Cycling News had Sean Kelly opinion piece that said Pogacar should not do the race..and others are saying risk reward is not there and Roubaix is too risky.. I have not been able to follow if he has committed

According to mou the team absolutely is against his riding P-R. So pogi has his agent sending threats to go to Red Bull if they stand in his way if he decides to go

 

[pelotonIQ]

According to mou the team absolutely is against his riding P-R. So pogi has his agent sending threats to go to Red Bull if they stand in his way if he decides to go

Haha. Poor Roglic, guy can't catch a break.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Also now you too can be a world champion! For 300€.

If I ever see someone wearing this when I'm out riding they're getting chirped all the way to the moon.

 

[Peyroteo94]

So is there a peak for Paris Roubaix? Cycling News had Sean Kelly opinion piece that said Pogacar should not do the race..and others are saying risk reward is not there and Roubaix is too risky.. I have not been able to follow if he has committed

But what is the difference of doing PR now or in 2/3 years?

 

[Peyroteo94]

According to mou the team absolutely is against his riding P-R. So pogi has his agent sending threats to go to Red Bull if they stand in his way if he decides to go

According to Mou? Gianetti already gave an interview saying he is against Pogacar's participation in PR.

 

[James M]

How can you compete with a goat in july when you are getting schooled by his domestique in march🤔

(Its not the end of the world is somewhat true but also not entirely, its PN now and cant completely ignore it anymore. Reality is its not like Almeida is peaking or close to it either, with more or less same calender too)

Vingegaard is actually at good level too, if you look at the numbers (w/kg) same time last year in T/A its more or less the same or there about(not counting the stage he hurt his hand) . His problem is just as I expected and said before season, he cant improve as much as most other can. From a biological standpoint he cant improve as much as most others, relative to other is the key here, its only logical and your gonne continue to see more of this going forward, especialliy from next year on but seeing it already now. People looking at the past will always end up with the wrong answer.

(not saying he cant improve more than his current form or that he wont be nr 2 this year in GT terms in level etc -- thats not what im saying, simply saying he cant improve as much relative to others and you will see more of that trend going forward nothing else, from a biological standpoint its only logical)

Ofc any talks about Pogi when you regulary gets dropped uphill by his 2/3 best dom is borderline hillarious.

 

[James M]

really cant wait this year msr,pog makes it epic.

1 week untill Pogacar hardest puzzle/race imo. MSR is not a attrition race where more or less everyone starts with a deficit to him before the start. The downhill after Poggio and the flat betwen Cipressa and Poggio + the overall super easy route makes this imo his hardest puzzle to solve of all races.

Just send it at Cipressa and see what happens, worth trying something new even tho it make no sense it should be possible in that way, but so has other things he done if you said it out loud. Just send it and try.

 

[Peyroteo94]

1 week untill Pogacar hardest puzzle/race imo. MSR is not a attrition race where more or less everyone starts with a deficit to him before the start. The downhill after Poggio and the flat betwen Cipressa and Poggio + the overall super easy route makes this imo his hardest puzzle to solve of all races.

Just send it at Cipressa and see what happens, worth trying something new even tho it make no sense it should be possible in that way, but so has other things he done if you said it out loud. Just send it and try.

I just hope he gives us a show. MSR has a terrible route, for some reason 15 years ago, they decided to change the route

 

[hfgon1]

I just hope he gives us a show. MSR has a terrible route, for some reason 15 years ago, they decided to change the route

I dont see it as a terrible route. Not every route must be as decisive as the other monuments. The last years this race was very diversified in who was able to win the race. After a lot of years in which the sprinters won and it was surprising if someone was able to get away from the main field that has changed a lot the last years.

Since 2011 the race was won by:
Matthew Goss (group of 7 riders)
Simon Gerrans (grop of 3 riders)
Gerald Ciolek (group of 7 riders)
Alexander Kristoff (group of 25 riders)
John Degenkolb (group of 26 riders)
Arnaud Demare (group of 31 riders)
Michal Kwiatkowski (group of 3 riders)
Vincenzo Nibali (group of 19 riders)
Julian Alaphilippe (group of 10 riders)
Wout Van Aert (group of 2 riders)
Jasper Stuyven (group of 17 riders)
Matej Mohoric (on his own)
Mathieu Van der Poel (on his own)
Jasper Philipsen (group of 12 riders)

Of course the race is boring for the first 260km but it was very decisive in the end the last years and gave opportunities to some kind of different riders. It is by far the hardest monument to predict and thats what it makes interesting. In other races tv coverage starts when the race is nearly decided. If Pogacar will still not able to win it, dont blame the race organizers, blame him. Then he still wasnt just good enough to win it yet even though I hope he will make it and I even trust in his sprint against guys like MVdP if the top sprinters arent part of the main group anymore.

 

[Shortcut]

What would be Pogacar's most impressive win? RVV 2023, Lombardia 2023 , WC 2024 or potentially winning somehow MSR? I know Lombardia 2023 looks odd, but he looked cooked and still found a way to win.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I dont see it as a terrible route. Not every route must be as decisive as the other monuments. The last years this race was very diversified in who was able to win the race. After a lot of years in which the sprinters won and it was surprising if someone was able to get away from the main field that has changed a lot the last years.

Since 2011 the race was won by:
Matthew Goss (group of 7 riders)
Simon Gerrans (grop of 3 riders)
Gerald Ciolek (group of 7 riders)
Alexander Kristoff (group of 25 riders)
John Degenkolb (group of 26 riders)
Arnaud Demare (group of 31 riders)
Michal Kwiatkowski (group of 3 riders)
Vincenzo Nibali (group of 19 riders)
Julian Alaphilippe (group of 10 riders)
Wout Van Aert (group of 2 riders)
Jasper Stuyven (group of 17 riders)
Matej Mohoric (on his own)
Mathieu Van der Poel (on his own)
Jasper Philipsen (group of 12 riders)

Of course the race is boring for the first 260km but it was very decisive in the end the last years and gave opportunities to some kind of different riders. It is by far the hardest monument to predict and thats what it makes interesting. In other races tv coverage starts when the race is nearly decided. If Pogacar will still not able to win it, dont blame the race organizers, blame him. Then he still wasnt just good enough to win it yet even though I hope he will make it and I even trust in his sprint against guys like MVdP if the top sprinters arent part of the main group anymore.

GdL has good routes and is won by the same rider 4 years in a row.

 

[YavorD]

GdL has good routes and is won by the same rider 4 years in a row.

That's the charm of MSR. It can (and it actually is) be won by a variety of different riders and in many different ways.

As long as Pogacar is racing, the route is good. It's basically the only race in the calendar where he can't just ride away, and that's a good thing.

 

[scribers]

Until he finds a way to just ride away in it

 

[scribers]

What would be Pogacar's most impressive win? RVV 2023, Lombardia 2023 , WC 2024 or potentially winning somehow MSR? I know Lombardia 2023 looks odd, but he looked cooked and still found a way to win.

His most remarkable win was 2020 tour. His most impressive win was 2024 worlds with 2024 SB a close second (someone here created a whole username about that solo).

 

[YavorD]

Until he finds a way to just ride away in it

Even if he does, and he does it, say, 3 years in a row, it's still fine

 

[Peyroteo94]

That's the charm of MSR. It can (and it actually is) be won by a variety of different riders and in many different ways.

As long as Pogacar is racing, the route is good. It's basically the only race in the calendar where he can't just ride away, and that's a good thing.

They must maintain this route until Pogacar retires? And then change? This is utterly ridiculous, if they do this, it is clearly sabotaging Pogacar's palmares.
MSR always was won by a variety of different riders. This was no different when Manie was introduced in the race.
Manie would be a interesting addition but without it, MSR is a race where nothing happens during 270 km. I will say again, the same people who say Manie should not be introduced again, are the same people 10 years ago were against the current route. A rider cannot be harmed just because he is so much better. Even Pompeiana was introduced because the route wasn't delivering a good show.

 

[Froome]

They must maintain this route until Pogacar retires? And then change? This is utterly ridiculous, if they do this, it is clearly sabotaging Pogacar's palmares.

This is the ultimate fanboysm.

Thinking the world revolves around pogacar.

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

Leave MSR alone! It's great and unique whoever rides.