Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

Review positions again at the base of the cipressa. I’m too bent to do it at this moment. I’m sure mvp and ganna are in the top 10 or less

I’m a sucker for punishment. There was a crash. Cameras never see any of what happens in the bottleneck. MVP came out if it like in 5th position and ganna maybe 2 places behind him at all times. They drafted behind wellens when he got to the front and just waited for pogi to burn watts to get back to the front

 

[skippo12]

MVDP made a great sprint, not really a "smart" sprint. Strong sprint.

He started his sprint in the perfect moment. Ganna wasn't ready. Pog was too far behind trying to come out of Ganna's slipstream.
In my opinion that doesn't change the outcome. It was a smart sprint. And looking at the gap he created also a really strong sprint. Produced by far the best numbers.

 

[Salvarani]

Watch the overhead and see how he reacts to Pocagar's positioning

No... he just sees Pog coming up with speed and realises he has to start the sprint from 250m out.

He reacted fast and was then strong enough to hold them off. It was a great and strong sprint.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pogacar always had a overrated sprint, even Vingegaard beat him in a sprint during the Tour France, and Vingegaard is probably one of the worst sprinters in the world.

No, he isn't.

 

[Salvarani]

He started his sprint in the perfect moment. Ganna wasn't ready. Pog was too far behind trying to come out of Ganna's slipstream.
In my opinion that doesn't change the outcome. It was a smart sprint. And looking at the gap he created also a really strong sprint. Produced by far the best numbers.

I think dont think it was "smart".

He reacted fast to what he saw and was strong/great enough to hold them off. Won deservedly.

 

[CatchyH]

Watch the overhead and see how he reacts to Pocagar's positioning

Pogacar didn't have much left. He gave everything he had on the Cipressa and the Poggio. He was getting gapped slightly by Ganna in the sprint. Even a perfect execution wouldn't have been enough.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

No... he just sees Pog coming up with speed and realises he has to start the sprint from 250m out.

He reacted fast and was then strong enough to hold them off. It was a great and strong sprint.

Don't think we'll ever reach an agreement, regardless, my point is that it's not del torro's fault

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar doesn't have the sprint of heavy guys. He will never have, his weight is 65 kg and he is racing against riders 10 kilos heavier. But he is by far the best sprinter against other gc riders or even in classics like GdL or LBL.

 

[Rou]

Races like this work me up and piss me off. I probably won't be able to sleep tonight just like after Granon.

 

[Salvarani]

Pogacar doesn't have the sprint of heavy guys. He will never have, his weight is 65 kg and he is racing against riders 10 kilos heavier. But he is by far the best sprinter against other gc riders or even in classics like GdL or LBL.

Yup. This is just another animal.

But that is he there to compete in a race like this. That is what is truly incredible.

What a race today.

Best edition in a long time.

 

[Rou]

Like I said, they don't need a lot of climbers. They just need powerhorses!
Vermeersch was the missing teammate today. They just need Wellens and Narvaez to kill Cipressa.

Do you really think if Del Torro did a 1km hard pull Pog wouldn't have been 15 secs faster on Cipressa?

 

[Stubb]

How can people blame positioning, there are 50 guys fighting to be first at the bottom of Cipressa, no way you can have a perfect 6 man train like in a Tour mountain stage. Pog seemed def pissed and that's a good thing, I want at least 5 San remo like this before he retires!

 

[Salvarani]

Do you really think if Del Torro did a 1km hard pull Pog wouldn't have been 15 secs faster on Cipressa?

Very difficult to say. Perfecting every small detail will also be so hard in reality to produce. A lot can just go wrong in the positioning. Too many outside factors.

It was a great attempt today. So close.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup. This is just another animal.

But that is he there to compete in a race like this. That is what is truly incredible.

What a race today.

Best edition in a long time.

He was putting MVP on the ropes in Cipressa.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Do you really think if Del Torro did a 1km hard pull Pog wouldn't have been 15 secs faster on Cipressa?

No. He will always attack with 2.8km to the top.

 

[Salvarani]

He was putting MVP on the ropes in Cipressa.

Yup, very close but MVDP defending himself very well.

 

[scribers]

How can people blame positioning, there are 50 guys fighting to be first at the bottom of Cipressa, no way you can have a perfect 6 man train like in a Tour mountain stage. Pog seemed def pissed and that's a good thing, I want at least 5 San remo like this before he retires!

Top steps of the podium were well positioned at the start of the cipressa. This was not a coincidence

 

[CatchyH]

I think at this point it seems as if the only way he can win this race is if his main rivals are either out of shape or out of position.

 

[Rou]

From what I saw today from Pog he looks in amazing shape and stronger than MVDP. Pulling half of Cipressa and full Pogio with multiple attacks and still caught MVDP at the end.
Revenge will be sweet after 15 days when he manhandles Mathieu.

 

[scribers]

Do you really think if Del Torro did a 1km hard pull Pog wouldn't have been 15 secs faster on Cipressa?

Pogi should have been on wellens wheel at all times. Ideally with Narváez and del toro. If that happens 8:40. And 25-30 seconds advantage over mvp and ganna. Their faces to the wind would have never clawed him back

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next year, they should bring Rui, Vermeersch and Politt. These 3 can help Pogi, Wellens and Narvaez to be in the front.

 

[yaf2]

And some thought polit would position the whole team for the foot of cipressa😓 never gonna happen! Its a full bunch coming to cipressa and u cant position your whole team because of the washing machine effect you are gonna lose some teammates as a result. Even alpecine and ineos could position 1 or 2 of their guys( in todays case vanderpoel and ganna). In my opinion polit did a great job in positioning wellens to the front because the pace should be already high from the bottom and imagine if it was pog instead of wellens at the front we wouldn't have seen this spectacle.

Conclusions from today: pog is never gonna drop vdp on a 3&4 % climb at least on a low kilojoule day. So they better think about capo berta as a leg breaker for an attack on cipressa. Second, i dont know if im the only one who thinks this but he looks more comfortable on v4rs than y1 aero bike.

 

[scribers]

Next year, they should bring Rui, Vermeersch and Politt. These 3 can help Pogi, Wellens and Narvaez to be in the front.

The sheik has to get serious about goals of his team

 

[Stubb]

Top steps of the podium were well positioned at the start of the cipressa. This was not a coincidence

Having del Toro would have changed the outcome? Can he drop most of the peleton like Narvaez did? Pog had the two best riders of his team in the first 15 positions, enough to destroy a peleton of ruleur on a 5 km 4% climb. You can't ask for a better scenario in a race like san remo.

 

[skippo12]

Unless the level of either one changes drastically the main problem is to get MVP out of the slipstream. Pog would probably be 5-10s faster than MVP on Cipressa in a TT but as long as MVP can just follow his wheel that's not going to happen.