Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

Vuelta 2019, how was the temperature in the last mountain stage?

Holy cow. I don’t even remember what I ate for breakfast this morning

 

[Peyroteo94]

Rain will be very weak but the wind is looking strong. 25 kph with guts of more than 40 kph.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Rain will be very weak but the wind is looking strong. 25 kph with guts of more than 40 kph.

While most of the route will generally have tail/cross wind the crucial sectors (Mons-en-Pévèle and Carrefour de l'Arbre) will mostly be ridden with headwind present.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'm waiting for Johan's reaction after RVV results. All this talk about pride, bla bla bla, how he did a tactical mistake, bla bla bla in the first time he lost to Pogacar, men, it is a joy to watch when these experts are wrong because they speak with so much certainty.

View: https://youtu.be/0_UFGb4y0lA?si=55-

 

[Peyroteo94]

While most of the route will generally have tail/cross wind the crucial sectors (Mons-en-Pévèle and Carrefour de l'Arbre) will mostly be ridden with headwind present.

It doesn't matter for Pogacar. He can't drop everyone there. Like I said, his only chance is doing a sneaky attack.

 

[pastronef]

Ovni 6WePje8Em

ovni in French is "object volant non identifié" (UFO)

 

[Peyroteo94]

ovni in French is "object volant non identifié" (UFO)

Ahahah. In portuguese is "objeto voador não identificado".
I already edited, cheers mate.

 

[scribers]

I'm waiting for Johan's reaction after RVV results. All this talk about pride, bla bla bla, how he did a tactical mistake, bla bla bla in the first time he lost to Pogacar, men, it is a joy to watch when these experts are wrong when they speak with so much certainty.

View: https://youtu.be/0_UFGb4y0lA?si=55-

Bruyneel can just explain away the loss to illness and crash

 

[Peyroteo94]

Bruyneel can just explain away the loss to illness and crash

So we will have to wait another year to see both at their peak shape. However, it was clear MVP would destroy the field again without Pogacar.

 

[scribers]

He’s usually right. But he’ll have to accept this reality for the next couple of years minimally with pogi

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sometimes I feel some Belgians have a hard time admiting a GC rider is absolutely spanking their home (MVP is almost half belgian) boys in their terrain.

 

[Shortcut]

Sometimes I feel some Belgians have a hard time admiting a GC rider is absolutely spanking their home (MVP is almost half belgian) boys in their terrain.

I think Bruynell actually likes Tadej but it's not "hot take" if you are saying every race "i think Tadej is going to win". I already saw many comments, how they can't wait to see the show and what he is gonna say now. That is what make show atractive fo larger audience. I think Tadej is pretty popular in Belgium/Netherland but of course not like the home riders (that would be weird). He is extremly popular in Italy and Spain, but not so in France (pretty neutral).

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Bruynell actually likes Tadej but it's not "hot take" if you are saying every race "i think Tadej is going to win". I already saw many comments, how they can't wait to see the show and what he is gonna say now. That is what make show atractive fo larger audience. I think Tadej is pretty popular in Belgium/Netherland but of course not like the home riders (that would be weird). He is extremly popular in Italy and Spain, but not so in France (pretty neutral).

The problem is, some people still don't understand, Pogacar is on a different level even from MVP. This is bizarre but it is the truth. MVP is seen like a god in cobbled classics but around Pogi he is human and probably will get beaten more times in RVV. The amount of time Pogacar won after Paterberg, shows he still had something in the tank while MVP was completely dead even after working less than Pogacar.
Last year in Zurich, what Pogacar did against MVP should give an idea how Pogacar is on a different level but some people still think they are in the same boat (in classics). Sorry, but no.

 

[Shortcut]

You were not so sure before RVV too.. that Pogi will win.
I still feel like MvDP was capable of putting up a better fight than what he actually showed in the end. The small crash and probably a minor cold played a role, but still—there’s no way MvDP would have lost to Mads, and almost to Wout, if he had been at 100%. You could say Pogacar forced him into that situation, but still, it was a much weaker performance compared to E3 or MSR. Already on the second time up the Kwaremont, he could have been dropped if Pogacar had gone full gas (which was very smart of him not to), and honestly, MvDP looked vulnerable and poorly positioned the entire race. I believe everything he said in the post-race interview. It’s a bit strange, but even Pogacar looked vulnerable—just very smart. I still can’t believe this was the fastest Ronde van Vlaanderen of all time, with so many record-setting segments. Visually, it didn’t feel like that at all.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You were not so sure before RVV too.. that Pogi will win.
I still feel like MvDP was capable of putting up a better fight than what he actually showed in the end. The small crash and probably a minor cold played a role, but still—there’s no way MvDP would have lost to Mads, and almost to Wout, if he had been at 100%. You could say Pogacar forced him into that situation, but still, it was a much weaker performance compared to E3 or MSR. Already on the second time up the Kwaremont, he could have been dropped if Pogacar had gone full gas (which was very smart of him not to), and honestly, MvDP looked vulnerable and poorly positioned the entire race. I believe everything he said in the post-race interview. It’s a bit strange, but even Pogacar looked vulnerable—just very smart. I still can’t believe this was the fastest Ronde van Vlaanderen of all time, with so many record-setting segments. Visually, it didn’t feel like that at all.

I was more sure before the race than during the race. In fact, I said MVP would win after the second Kwaremont. But it was silly to think MVP was unbeatable in RVV because he was in his best shape ever, specially when Pogacar already beaten MVP there. And comparing MSR with RVV was beyond stupid IMHO.

 

[Shortcut]

I was more sure before the race than during the race. In fact, I said MVP would win after the second Kwaremont. But it was silly to think MVP was unbeatable in RVV because he was in his best shape ever, specially when Pogacar already beaten MVP there. And comparing MSR with RVV was beyond stupid IMHO.

you can say beyond stupid but MSR was reason everybody was saying MvDP was "in best shape ever".

 

[Peyroteo94]

you can say beyond stupid but MSR was reason everybody was saying MvDP was "in best shape ever".

Sure mate but there is one thing you are forgetting. 2 years ago, people said the same and MVP was dropped by Pogi. So, 2 years later, we should expect those people to be more cautious, but in the case of Johan, he didn't learn the lesson.

 

[Shortcut]

Sure mate but there is one thing you are forgetting. 2 years ago, people said the same and MVP was dropped by Pogi. So, 2 years later, we should expect those people to be more cautious, but in the case of Johan, he didn't learn the lesson.

Like i said, it is pretty easy to say "Pogi will win" for every big race except MSR, P-R and Quebec. All other races he is favorite. But they need to play devil's advocate for wiews. And again, even you said MvDP seemed to be in best shape after MSR-so saying, you can't take MSR as reference for RVV is a little bit hypocritical.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Like i said, it is pretty easy to say "Pogi will win" for every big race except MSR, P-R and Quebec. All other races he is favorite. But they need to play devil's advocate for wiews. And again, even you said MvDP seemed to be in best shape after MSR-so saying, you can't take MSR as reference for RVV is a little bit hypocritical.

You can but you can't say MSR is a great benchmark because it isn't. MSR and RVV are not similar. For some reason I voted for MVP in MSR and voted for Pogacar in RVV. Even had one user here, saying he would like to see MVP win just to see my reaction (after my countless posts about Pogi winning RVV). For me it is silly to listen things like MVP is unbeatable, MVP is head and shoulders above everyone (Boonen). It is silly, specially when Pogi is racing.

 

[jono]

Last year in Zurich, what Pogacar did against MVP should give an idea how Pogacar is on a different level but some people still think they are in the same boat (in classics). Sorry, but no.

Zurich is a bad example, at least for what he can do against MVP. What he did there was impressive against the rest of the field, but van der Poel had no chance even if Pogacar wasn't racing. Every single person I read was predicting a Pogi win and I don't think anyone even had MVDP on the podium. Ben O'Connor got second (!) which should tell you what kind of rider that course favors.

 

[AmRacer]

Zurich is a bad example, at least for what he can do against MVP. What he did there was impressive against the rest of the field, but van der Poel had no chance even if Pogacar wasn't racing. Every single person I read was predicting a Pogi win and I don't think anyone even had MVDP on the podium. Ben O'Connor got second (!) which should tell you what kind of rider that course favors.

Remco?

 

[Shortcut]

You can but you can't say MSR is a great benchmark because it isn't. MSR and RVV are not similar. For some reason I voted for MVP in MSR and voted for Pogacar in RVV. Even had one user here, saying he would like to see MVP win just to see my reaction (after my countless posts about Pogi winning RVV). For me it is silly to listen things like MVP is unbeatable, MVP is head and shoulders above everyone (Boonen). It is silly, specially when Pogi is racing.

It is not that i don't agree with you. And i know you can't compare MSR and RVV. But if Pogi had won MSR nobody would think MVDP could beat him at RVV. Also i would say MVDP showed really impressive form at MSR 2025 and would have lost it with shape from 2024. Still he destroy everyone at RVV and P-R2024 pretty easily. Including Mads and i don't believe Mads somehow got so much better to be in the same discution with MvDP from now on. That is also the reason why i actually believe MvDP was not 100% at RVV and would be much closer to Pogi, if that was not the case.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Zurich is a bad example, at least for what he can do against MVP. What he did there was impressive against the rest of the field, but van der Poel had no chance even if Pogacar wasn't racing. Every single person I read was predicting a Pogi win and I don't think anyone even had MVDP on the podium. Ben O'Connor got second (!) which should tell you what kind of rider that course favors.

The circuit wasn't very tough. The course was very hard before the circuit (hardest climb was there). RVV doesn't have a lot of vertical meters because this race before the first Kwaremont is flat. Vertical meters is not everything, we must know where is the difficulty section of the race. Zurich had a mix of climbers with pure classicomanos (Simmons, Healy, Skujins, etc).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi with a monster team. A joy to see Wellens there but I thought he had broken his collarbone. Fake news!

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[Peyroteo94]

Rui Oliveira isn't there... Molano is useless!