Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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For him its probably not that of a big deal but for the team its all their funds allocated for one big goal & its the tour. After the tour last year we saw an unusual anger of gianneti on ayuso for hiding on gallibier and quitting the race once he gets sick & after seeing that gianneti punished him by leaving him out of vuelta. After watching that i realized for managers or owners of teams the tour is bigger than their stars. I wish we get the live cam on gianneti & matxin in the bus watching roubaix. I bet those 6 hours will be the most stressfull hours in their life
PR is dangerous until Mons en Pevele. Between 130 - 60 km he must avoid any crash. Race is probably too ripped after this period.
 
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I also believe, despite being more dangerous, it will be to his advantage.

Can you imagine a mud version, total carnage, and Pog winning, cracking everyone?

Can't wait anymore :sweatsmile:
What a rainy Roubaix will do is make the race more like Milan-San Remo in its randomness. There will be more crashes, and not just from the worst bike handlers. When a rider in front of another crashes, unless they're Peter Sagan, they are going down too or into the ditch.
 
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What a rainy Roubaix will do is make the race more like Milan-San Remo in its randomness. There will be more crashes, and not just from the worst bike handlers. When a rider in front of another crashes, unless they're Peter Sagan, they are going down too or into the ditch.
Rain forces a selection earlier (more attritional race, more chaos, more chances for a sneaky attack).
 
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I also believe, despite being more dangerous, it will be to his advantage.

Can you imagine a mud version, total carnage, and Pog winning, cracking everyone?

Can't wait anymore :sweatsmile:
Several of you are so ***-sure about him winning in any conditions. Perhaps you're right, but I wish this website had an internal wagering function so you'd have to put your money where your mouth is.
 
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Several of you are so ***-sure about him winning in any conditions. Perhaps you're right, but I wish this website had an internal wagering function so you'd have to put your money where your mouth is.
He desires that scenario but he is not sure at all. This is what I understood from his post.
 
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What do you mean by this?
Winning against them is what makes him greater?

Absolutely. Vingo is one of the best climbers ever and MVP one of the best one-day racers ever.
OTOH losses against them are nothing to be ashamed of.

BTW I don't understand people who belittle their fave's rivals - by doing this they belittle their fave.
 
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If it's going to be a rainy day, chances for Pog are increasing.
Nibali and Fulgsang in tour weight dropped prime Cancellara and Sagan, I think being lighter when the cobbles are wet is some sort of an advantage.
The only weakness is the team, they couldn't help him mantaing position in Flanders, in Roubaix it will be exponentially worse.
 
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If it's going to be a rainy day, chances for Pog are increasing.
Nibali and Fulgsang in tour weight dropped prime Cancellara and Sagan, I think being lighter when the cobbles are wet is some sort of an advantage.
The only weakness is the team, they couldn't help him mantaing position in Flanders, in Roubaix it will be exponentially worse.

Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
 
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Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!
 
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true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!

TBH I can't see rain favouring Pogacar in any way. Rain + cold favour him against other climbers but those big boys (MVP, Wout, Mads) are used to performing well in shitty weather plus it won't be even cold on Sunday.
 
true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!
Yes, the more I think, the more I pray for a rainy day.
 
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View: https://x.com/InsideOut2912/status/1909582939987280238?t=iNwJRKXGjiIbsete2OzhfA&s=19

Imagine
Thats how the sport has changed regarding specialization. If you now ask gall if he can do roubaix & compete with vdp & pedersen he would offend you with his answer. Thats why we should never compare merckx with pog and expect pog to do what merckx did on stone age.
Bingo. And its not hard to do at all if your objective and just remove emotions, its super obvious.
 
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Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
Completely agree with this. He just needs luck on his side.
 
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He is a monster on rainy days.

It's more about cold and the way his engine deals with it. Obviously rain makes body temperature drop faster (so the effect is more pronounced) but still a sufficiently low air temperature is needed. It's still 120 hours away (so substantial changes can happen) but temperatures of 15-20 degrees are in forecasts right now.
 
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After Pogacar's inhuman performance on piss low gradients in MSR (redefining how it’s ridden, even), it should foreshadow what’s coming. Thats nothing against MvdP, as he’s clearly better than ever and absolutely incredible, and already belongs in the pantheon of cobble cycling elites how great he is.

However, nobody should be surprised tomorrow when Pogacar raises the bar yet another level. The signs are there. Just enjoy the show.
Might just be me, but I'm surprised that before RVV this wasn’t always the obvious outcome for everyone I genuinly am and just as I said before, its nothing to do with MvdP cause he's beyond great.

How can people watch the end of last year and even MSR, where he redefined how they rode the race even— 4% Cipressa with a 40 km/h ave and 45 km/h on several long efforts—and not come to the conclusion of what he would do here? Do people not understand the drag benefits and how much more wattage he had to use, or what is it?

Ppl just need to stop looking behind for answers. You will always end up surprised then—the signs were more than there.
 
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If you pay attention, he also rides in the exact same way as he rides the mountains and other more mountainous classics.

He increases the speed—not by attacking flat out to create a gap, but simply by riding up to his limit. That limit happens to be far beyond what anyone else can handle. He doesn’t attack in one explosive move; instead, he steadily rides up to his threshold, forcing everyone else to transition from an aerobic state to an anaerobic state, where the body starts to break down quickly. We saw this exact methodology in every race last year, and the same approach is evident here. He then continues relentlessly every time as its nothing in this case— or in more mountainous stages, where he maintains the same speed. It’s the same way and beyond methodical by now.