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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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It’s not clear pogi can win #4. It’s a disaster if he doesn’t. At least for the sponsor. Every year thereafter the same story. That’s drudgery for anyone really. Win or failure. There is nothing else that matters. Even if he wins for what? Armstrong won the damn thing 7 times. Does that mean pogis legacy is tied ti exceeding that?
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For him its probably not that of a big deal but for the team its all their funds allocated for one big goal & its the tour. After the tour last year we saw an unusual anger of gianneti on ayuso for hiding on gallibier and quitting the race once he gets sick & after seeing that gianneti punished him by leaving him out of vuelta. After watching that i realized for managers or owners of teams the tour is bigger than their stars. I wish we get the live cam on gianneti & matxin in the bus watching roubaix. I bet those 6 hours will be the most stressfull hours in their life
 
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For him its probably not that of a big deal but for the team its all their funds allocated for one big goal & its the tour. After the tour last year we saw an unusual anger of gianneti on ayuso for hiding on gallibier and quitting the race once he gets sick & after seeing that gianneti punished him by leaving him out of vuelta. After watching that i realized for managers or owners of teams the tour is bigger than their stars. I wish we get the live cam on gianneti & matxin in the bus watching roubaix. I bet those 6 hours will be the most stressfull hours in their life
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PR is dangerous until Mons en Pevele. Between 130 - 60 km he must avoid any crash. Race is probably too ripped after this period.
 
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I also believe, despite being more dangerous, it will be to his advantage.

Can you imagine a mud version, total carnage, and Pog winning, cracking everyone?

Can't wait anymore :sweatsmile:
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What a rainy Roubaix will do is make the race more like Milan-San Remo in its randomness. There will be more crashes, and not just from the worst bike handlers. When a rider in front of another crashes, unless they're Peter Sagan, they are going down too or into the ditch.
 
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What a rainy Roubaix will do is make the race more like Milan-San Remo in its randomness. There will be more crashes, and not just from the worst bike handlers. When a rider in front of another crashes, unless they're Peter Sagan, they are going down too or into the ditch.
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Rain forces a selection earlier (more attritional race, more chaos, more chances for a sneaky attack).
 
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I also believe, despite being more dangerous, it will be to his advantage.

Can you imagine a mud version, total carnage, and Pog winning, cracking everyone?

Can't wait anymore :sweatsmile:
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Several of you are so ***-sure about him winning in any conditions. Perhaps you're right, but I wish this website had an internal wagering function so you'd have to put your money where your mouth is.
 
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If it's going to be a rainy day, chances for Pog are increasing.
Nibali and Fulgsang in tour weight dropped prime Cancellara and Sagan, I think being lighter when the cobbles are wet is some sort of an advantage.
The only weakness is the team, they couldn't help him mantaing position in Flanders, in Roubaix it will be exponentially worse.
 
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If it's going to be a rainy day, chances for Pog are increasing.
Nibali and Fulgsang in tour weight dropped prime Cancellara and Sagan, I think being lighter when the cobbles are wet is some sort of an advantage.
The only weakness is the team, they couldn't help him mantaing position in Flanders, in Roubaix it will be exponentially worse.
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Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
 
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Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
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true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!
 
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true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!
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TBH I can't see rain favouring Pogacar in any way. Rain + cold favour him against other climbers but those big boys (MVP, Wout, Mads) are used to performing well in shitty weather plus it won't be even cold on Sunday.
 
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true, but if he survive the first 150 km, then I think he has an edge if it's raining. In 2014 60 kg+ Nibali was lucky, sure, but he dropped Cancellara and Sagan on 4 star sector. Without the rain Nibali would have never dropped Contador, let alone Cancellara!
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Yes, the more I think, the more I pray for a rainy day.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1909582939987280238
View: https://x.com/InsideOut2912/status/1909582939987280238?t=iNwJRKXGjiIbsete2OzhfA&s=19

Imagine
Thats how the sport has changed regarding specialization. If you now ask gall if he can do roubaix & compete with vdp & pedersen he would offend you with his answer. Thats why we should never compare merckx with pog and expect pog to do what merckx did on stone age.
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Bingo. And its not hard to do at all if your objective and just remove emotions, its super obvious.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Rain "flattens" chances distribution of the contenders (making the race more random). This means that it's more likely that Pogi will get lucky (and win) as well as the opposite (hurting himself jeopardizing his season). But it's still 5 days away, maybe only showers will happen (so local rain not covering the whole region).
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Completely agree with this. He just needs luck on his side.
 
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