Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

I am not arguing against it. I am sure he will, but he wont come out and say it right after the race is he. It is not smart. All I am saying.

I agree with you but he will comr back. You also know that.
Next year, his schedule will be similar to this year

 

[Salvarani]

I agree with you but he will comr back. You also know that.
Next year, his schedule will be similar to this year

I have not said he wont?

Confused.

 

[Merckx]

Mate, a couple sectors in a random TdF stage isn't the same as riding a Paris-Roubaix with 30 cobble sectors. He has been competitive in sprint stages vs sprinters but that doesn't mean sprinting suits him. He has definitely passed the eye-test because he is that good that he can be competitive even when competing in races that doesn't suit him. Remember Paris-Roubaix is flat, no climbs, no gradients.

MVDP showed his prowess today without any question - and I can’t see any scenario where the podium would have been different. That being said, this need to continually minimize or debase what we are witnessing with Pogačar is incredibly dull.

He races year round, demonstrates a versatility on the road that is unmatched and is a contender in any type of race he enters. His peers understand that they are racing against possibly the greatest rider of all time. It’s only a small subsect of posters here that find some strange pleasure in being contrarian and obfuscating the truth.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

at some point VDP will start declining and Pog is 3,5 years younger so .. unless there is a new VDP coming he will have time

Yes, exactly.

 

[Extinction]

He lost, and he would have lost anyway. He actually has his limitations. Not Merckx, not Hinault.

 

[rafa92]

He lost, and he would have lost anyway. He actually has his limitations. Not Merckx, not Hinault.

stupid take, merckx had zero wins in lombardy in his first 4 participations, compared to pog's 4 wins. In his first roubaix mercxk was 15th (he was younger though), pog arrived 2nd, behind arguably the strongest pr rider in history (don't come up with boonen because in terms of pure power, engine and bike handling abilities vdp is on a completely different level compared to boonen, who was better than vdp only as a pure sprinter)

 

[CatchyH]

He lost, and he would have lost anyway. He actually has his limitations. Not Merckx, not Hinault.

His limitation is VDP's existence. Without VDP he could have potentially won all 5 monuments this year. But that's of course just a hypothetical.

 

[BubbaChuck]

hinault has won 5 monuments in his career.

 

[Extinction]

stupid take, merckx had zero wins in lombardy in his first 4 participations, compared to pog's 4 wins. In his first roubaix mercxk was 15th (he was younger though), pog arrived 2nd, behind arguably the strongest pr rider in history (don't come up with boonen because in terms of pure power, engine and bike handling abilities vdp is on a completely different level compared to boonen, who was better than vdp only as a pure sprinter)

Forget about Lommbardia. Did he win? Or crash because of nerves? He has to win MSR and PR to be considered the goat, but they are his Achilles' heal.

 

[ppanther92]

He lost, and he would have lost anyway. He actually has his limitations. Not Merckx, not Hinault.

You realize Merckx finished his first PR as 15th, his second as 8th? And 7 out of the 12 starts off the podium. For Hinault 13th and 11th, 4 out of 5 off the podium. If you want to draw any comparison om that level at all, Pogacar is ahead of the curve.

 

[James M]

Its a reason we draw a line before and after a certain timestamp in cycling.If Merckx were competing against a field as competitive as today’s, he might struggle to crack the top 30 in the Tour or the top 10 here. Back then, when he wasn’t riding against just 20 Belgians in a insular competition, it felt more manageable—almost like how cross-country skiing operates today — in lack of other words, pathetic.

Honestly, it’s a hillarious comparison in reality based on nothing but nostalgia and emotions

 

[BubbaChuck]

people are talking big,but reality is pog will only get stronger.and than we will be back to he is only doped rider in peleton,lmao.did you saw panic reaction after he took electrolytes.

 

[Extinction]

You realize Merckx finished his first PR as 15th, his second as 8th? And 7 out of the 12 starts off the podium. For Hinault 13th and 11th, 4 out of 5 off the podium. If you want to draw any comparison om that level at all, Pogacar is ahead of the curve.

So win Tadej. The problem for him is that there is a monster on the cobbels for the foreseable future.

 

[ppanther92]

So win Tadej. The problem for him is that there is a monster on the cobbels for the foreseable future.

Well, than say his problem is MvdP - which I agree with in MSR and PR.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Forget about Lommbardia. Did he win? Or crash because of nerves? He has to win MSR and PR to be considered the goat, but they are his Achilles' heal.

Not to take anything away from your post. There isn't a one way path to become 'goat'. The 'goat' discussions are subjective and Pogacar can build his palmares in different ways and be considered 'goat'.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I have not said he wont?

Confused.

I'm just saying he didn't say he will come back but we all know he will (next year).

 

[rafa92]

Forget about Lommbardia. Did he win? Or crash because of nerves? He has to win MSR and PR to be considered the goat, but they are his Achilles' heal.

honestly he doesn't need to win all five, you are forgetting he's competing in the modern era of cycling, you don't even have the slightest idea of what difference that makes. With that being said, i believe one day he will win all five. And no I don't forget of Lombardia because there's a reason merckx did not win the first 4 editions he took part in and pog won all 4 and the reason is that in lombardy, which is the hardest monument pog has shown a level of domination never seen in the history of cycling. Also I don't forget about pr, today in his debut he lost, and I don't think because of the crash (vdp would have won anyway today) but he was still more impressive than anyone in history in his pr debut

 

[Extinction]

He lost, and he would have lost anyway. He actually has his limitations. Not Merckx, not Hinault.

What I mean by this is that he can't drop the rouleures, nor drop the velocisti, it's a predicament. By contrast, Merckx or Hinault could have done one or the other in given circumstaces.!

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don’t know why you guys repeatedly take the bait and continue to answer these posters. There are two in particular that contribute nothing of value and show up only to poke and taunt other forum members.

MVDP showed his prowess today without any question - and I can’t see any scenario where the podium would have been different. That being said, this need to continually minimize or debase what we are witnessing with Pogačar is incredibly dull.

He races year round, demonstrates a versatility on the road that is unmatched and is a contender in any type of race he enters. His peers understand that they are racing against possibly the greatest rider of all time. It’s only a small subsect of posters here that find some strange pleasure in being contrarian and obfuscating the truth.

Amen!

 

[Extinction]

Not to take anything away from your post. There isn't a one way path to become 'goat'. The 'goat' discussions are subjective and Pogacar can build his palmares in different ways and be considered 'goat'.

There is only only one way, and it it the most arduous.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Its a reason we draw a line before and after a certain timestamp in cycling.If Merckx were competing against a field as competitive as today’s, he might struggle to crack the top 30 in the Tour or the top 10 here. Back then, when he wasn’t riding against just 20 Belgians in a insular competition, it felt more manageable—almost like how cross-country skiing operates today — in lack of other words, pathetic.

Honestly, it’s a hillarious comparison in reality based on nothing but nostalgia and emotions

Merckx normally was in troubles in the high mountains. Even him can recognize this. A different era for sure.

 

[Extinction]

Its a reason we draw a line before and after a certain timestamp in cycling.If Merckx were competing against a field as competitive as today’s, he might struggle to crack the top 30 in the Tour or the top 10 here. Back then, when he wasn’t riding against just 20 Belgians in a insular competition, it felt more manageable—almost like how cross-country skiing operates today — in lack of other words, pathetic.

Honestly, it’s a hillarious comparison in reality based on nothing but nostalgia and emotions

In fact time doesnt exist and we are all in a useless bubble.

 

[Cycling111]

First of all, excuse my English, it isn´t my native language.

I've been reading you for a while, and this time I need to react to the undervaluation of what this rider is doing in specialized cycling. Van der Poel doesn't return to Strade Bianche or Liege this year, where he would have finished second and third, and Vingegaard doesn't compete in Liège or Lombardia every year.

Since Fignon any TDF winner competed in Roubaix. When Wiggins did it, he didn't have the Tour as his goal.

He did it by finishing second. Simply finishing in the top 10 would´ve been incredible.

Paris Roubaix is the one-day race where experience is most noticeable; without it, has come second. With experience, he'll do better. I think he will win Paris-Roubaix before San Remo



When I read this thread, it always struck me that the most critical ones are a Froome and Vingegaard fanatic. What would they have done in Roubaix?

And I don't understand why a Remco fan would criticize him. Remco acknowledged the difficulty of the cobblestones for him, and that should give value to what Pogacar did today. If you like Remco, you can't hate Pogacar. He's doing what was expected of Remco in these types of races, which, unfortunately, Remco hasn't dared to enter yet. Not even Milano San Remo. I don't understand why someone who goes and makes the podium is criticized by fans of riders who didn't dare. It's incredible to finish second without experience as a TDF rider.

Nothing is written about fanatism, but liking Froome, who was terrible on cobbles underestimating Pogacar for not winning the PR the first time around is certainly strange.

 

[Miha81]

Really exceeded my expectations. I think he would finish 2nd even without that crash but we will never know.

I was more dissapointed with his team as other than that Politt half atack they were nowhere to be seen.

 

[Extinction]

All the talk about Merckx and Hinault, I get it. They were in the dinasaur age, but they won.