Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Netserk]

So are you telling me there are proofs that Pogacar is a clown (for example)?

That does not follow from what I wrote. If I accuse Pogi of being a clown, I can defend that accusation without a proof.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So NVH lying or just not having any facts for his claims is somehow okay?

Not the point I was making at all. Please stop with the strawmen.

 

[Netserk]

So NVH lying or just not having any facts for his claims is somehow okay?

Yes, it's fully okay whatever he does. Why should I care? He isn't a poster here, right?

"I do care that, in a forum I have respect for, people make accusations that they are apparently unwilling or unable to defend."

 

[Salvarani]

Yes, it's fully okay whatever he does. Why should I care? He isn't a poster here, right?

"I do care that, in a forum I have respect for, people make accusations that they are apparently unwilling or unable to defend."

Multiple people have given countless of reasons as why they think or believe NVH comments are silly. With actual facts about viewership. Proof.

 

[Salvarani]

Not the point I was making at all. Please stop with the strawmen.

Nor did I suggest you did. I havent qouted you, so please stop assuming.

 

[Salvarani]

Overall i feel it's good for this sport, tensions in between Visma and UAE. As for the proof, luckily ultimately in this sport the road decides. Personally i am happy that the tension in between Visma and UAE now has a name, Red Bull.

It give you wings!

 

[Salvarani]

Just to be clear, I am the first one admitting the Giro 2024 was almost a procession for Pogacar (of course Pogacar's fans liked more than neutral fans) but having a tight battle until the last stage is not a good indicator of a good GT. Giro 2023 was dreadful in many ways.

2023. Most boring Giro ever.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Multiple people have given countless of reasons as why they think or believe NVH comments are silly. With actual facts about viewership. Proof.

Yes: but those who said that the comments were hateful, disrespectful, or arising from anger have given none. You liked both comments, so you might wish to justify those comments given that those that made them have declined to do so.

 

[Salvarani]

A literal example from NvH is his claim that the viewership has dropped in the last week of the Giro due to Pogacar’s large lead. This is his subjective opinion, not an objective one (as actual data shows otherwise). The 2023 Giro was very tightly contested, yet it was incredibly boring, and the metrics actually show 0.8% lower viewership than the 2024 Giro.-source.https://www.globaldata.com/media/sport/giro-ditalia-2024-generates-48-million-sponsorship-revenue-reveals-globaldata/?utm_source).That may seem like a small number, but for such a niche sport like cycling, it’s significant. Last year, before Pogacar’s participation, there was huge hype in Italy, and even this year, despite the fact that he isn’t Italian, many Italians are disappointed he’s not racing. If we only looked at the time gaps going into the final week, the 2023 Tour would have been much more boring than the 2024 TdF, since Jonas had a 7-minute lead before the final five stages in 2023. Last year, people still thought Jonas could do something in the last three stages because Pogacar’s lead wasn’t yet insurmountable by that point-and i hear nobody saying Jonas victory TdF 2023 was boring.

Not a lie was told in this post and completely justified. Moving on.

 

[Salvarani]

I get what you are saying but lets me ask, without Pogacar how entertaining would MSR, RVV, P-R and Amstel be this year without Pogacar? Maybe they would be great, but we have seen one big race (E3) this year where MvDP raced without Pogacar and it ended with MvDP 50km solo attack. Without Pogacar going to those races it would be pretty boring and he saved whole spring season with his participations.

Has truly been an incredible spring. Very exciting racing.

 

[Salvarani]

Watching GREATs and GOATs doing their things is always fascinating.

Lucky to be able to witness it and to tell the stories in the future!

 

[Peyroteo94]

A literal example from NvH is his claim that the viewership has dropped in the last week of the Giro due to Pogacar’s large lead. This is his subjective opinion, not an objective one (as actual data shows otherwise). The 2023 Giro was very tightly contested, yet it was incredibly boring, and the metrics actually show 0.8% lower viewership than the 2024 Giro.-source.https://www.globaldata.com/media/sport/giro-ditalia-2024-generates-48-million-sponsorship-revenue-reveals-globaldata/?utm_source).That may seem like a small number, but for such a niche sport like cycling, it’s significant. Last year, before Pogacar’s participation, there was huge hype in Italy, and even this year, despite the fact that he isn’t Italian, many Italians are disappointed he’s not racing. If we only looked at the time gaps going into the final week, the 2023 Tour would have been much more boring than the 2024 TdF, since Jonas had a 7-minute lead before the final five stages in 2023. Last year, people still thought Jonas could do something in the last three stages because Pogacar’s lead wasn’t yet insurmountable by that point-and i hear nobody saying Jonas victory TdF 2023 was boring.

It's easy to know the reason behind this subjective opinion. An opinion that isn't based on actual numbers/facts.

 

[Peyroteo94]

We know Pogacar is training in Sierra Nevada since Friday so I was wondering how much time he lost in 2023 when he broke his hand. Similar schedule but only returned to altitude (almost) one month later.

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[Lorzenz08]

We know Pogacar is training in Sierra Nevada since Friday so I was wondering how much time he lost in 2023 when he broke his hand. Similar schedule but only returned to altitude (almost) one month later.

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Yea one month later, and with a worse fitness level.

 

[foxbat]

Yea one month later, and with a worse fitness level.

worse than who? and one month later because he' s been RACING. iron sharpens iron. training is no replacement for racecraft.

 

[Lorzenz08]

worse than who? and one month later because he' s been RACING. iron sharpens iron. training is no replacement for racecraft.

I mean in 2023 he started one month later, and with a worse level of fitness

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogi had a very short break after LBL, seemingly not too fatigued. I suppose the first few days at altitude are very light though.

 

[Peyroteo94]

worse than who? and one month later because he' s been RACING. iron sharpens iron. training is no replacement for racecraft.

Worse than Pogacar 2025.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogi had a very short break after LBL, seemingly not too fatigued. I suppose the first few days at altitude are very light though.

Normally the first week is acclimatization to altitude (he hasn't done altitude training since June 2024). In June (after Dauphiné), he will not need 3 weeks (there is also no time) and can train hard at altitude since the beginning of the training camp.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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Assessing the world’s best rider Tadej Pogačar and his main rivals in cycling’s top one-day races held this spring

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[Peyroteo94]

Urska Zigart has a flu but I think he is with Tadej training in Sierra Nevada. Maybe this ilness was good to maintain Tadej happy and possibly go
after Tour-Vuelta.

 

[Unchained]

We know Pogacar is training in Sierra Nevada since Friday so I was wondering how much time he lost in 2023 when he broke his hand. Similar schedule but only returned to altitude (almost) one month later.

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Whoever is riding this bike is a foot taller than Pogacar..

 

[Peyroteo94]

Whoever is riding this bike is a foot taller than Pogacar..

It's Javier Sola's bike

 

[Unchained]

It's Javier Sola's bike

With that inseam, and seatpost that must be a very very comfortable ride, that post length is the equivalent of suspension system!!!

 

[Oldman]

Great comments, thoughtful. He makes the good point that in his opinion, it's the "right" of Roglic to be positioned to win. And history is history. Visma, the media all said Sepp was coming of age and that the win was deserved and not gifted.
Kuss was ready to take on bigger roles in leadership. The sound of crickets, Kuss has just not showed up, instead of leadership, his role as important lieutenant has been diminished. He is currently a non factor. And with crash calamity that is Jonas's recent racing, it would have been great for Visma to have proven powerful Primoz..
Jorgenson trying unsuccessfully to fill the void of the two leaders.

Jorgenson can try but the rest of Visma is not there, period. We'll see what comes of this year's GTs but if Mateo is to succeed he has to beat his own team first, unfortunately.