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Salvarani

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Netserk said:
Yes, it's fully okay whatever he does. Why should I care? He isn't a poster here, right?

"I do care that, in a forum I have respect for, people make accusations that they are apparently unwilling or unable to defend."
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Multiple people have given countless of reasons as why they think or believe NVH comments are silly. With actual facts about viewership. Proof.
 
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Salvarani said:
Multiple people have given countless of reasons as why they think or believe NVH comments are silly. With actual facts about viewership. Proof.
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Yes: but those who said that the comments were hateful, disrespectful, or arising from anger have given none. You liked both comments, so you might wish to justify those comments given that those that made them have declined to do so.
 
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A literal example from NvH is his claim that the viewership has dropped in the last week of the Giro due to Pogacar’s large lead. This is his subjective opinion, not an objective one (as actual data shows otherwise). The 2023 Giro was very tightly contested, yet it was incredibly boring, and the metrics actually show 0.8% lower viewership than the 2024 Giro.-source:(.https://www.globaldata.com/media/sport/giro-ditalia-2024-generates-48-million-sponsorship-revenue-reveals-globaldata/?utm_source).That may seem like a small number, but for such a niche sport like cycling, it’s significant. Last year, before Pogacar’s participation, there was huge hype in Italy, and even this year, despite the fact that he isn’t Italian, many Italians are disappointed he’s not racing. If we only looked at the time gaps going into the final week, the 2023 Tour would have been much more boring than the 2024 TdF, since Jonas had a 7-minute lead before the final five stages in 2023. Last year, people still thought Jonas could do something in the last three stages because Pogacar’s lead wasn’t yet insurmountable by that point-and i hear nobody saying Jonas victory TdF 2023 was boring.
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Not a lie was told in this post and completely justified. Moving on.
 
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I get what you are saying but lets me ask, without Pogacar how entertaining would MSR, RVV, P-R and Amstel be this year without Pogacar? Maybe they would be great, but we have seen one big race (E3) this year where MvDP raced without Pogacar and it ended with MvDP 50km solo attack. Without Pogacar going to those races it would be pretty boring and he saved whole spring season with his participations.
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Has truly been an incredible spring. Very exciting racing.
 
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Shortcut said:
A literal example from NvH is his claim that the viewership has dropped in the last week of the Giro due to Pogacar’s large lead. This is his subjective opinion, not an objective one (as actual data shows otherwise). The 2023 Giro was very tightly contested, yet it was incredibly boring, and the metrics actually show 0.8% lower viewership than the 2024 Giro.-source:(.https://www.globaldata.com/media/sport/giro-ditalia-2024-generates-48-million-sponsorship-revenue-reveals-globaldata/?utm_source).That may seem like a small number, but for such a niche sport like cycling, it’s significant. Last year, before Pogacar’s participation, there was huge hype in Italy, and even this year, despite the fact that he isn’t Italian, many Italians are disappointed he’s not racing. If we only looked at the time gaps going into the final week, the 2023 Tour would have been much more boring than the 2024 TdF, since Jonas had a 7-minute lead before the final five stages in 2023. Last year, people still thought Jonas could do something in the last three stages because Pogacar’s lead wasn’t yet insurmountable by that point-and i hear nobody saying Jonas victory TdF 2023 was boring.
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It's easy to know the reason behind this subjective opinion. An opinion that isn't based on actual numbers/facts.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi had a very short break after LBL, seemingly not too fatigued. I suppose the first few days at altitude are very light though.
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Normally the first week is acclimatization to altitude (he hasn't done altitude training since June 2024). In June (after Dauphiné), he will not need 3 weeks (there is also no time) and can train hard at altitude since the beginning of the training camp.
 
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Unchained said:
Great comments, thoughtful. He makes the good point that in his opinion, it's the "right" of Roglic to be positioned to win. And history is history. Visma, the media all said Sepp was coming of age and that the win was deserved and not gifted.
Kuss was ready to take on bigger roles in leadership. The sound of crickets, Kuss has just not showed up, instead of leadership, his role as important lieutenant has been diminished. He is currently a non factor. And with crash calamity that is Jonas's recent racing, it would have been great for Visma to have proven powerful Primoz..
Jorgenson trying unsuccessfully to fill the void of the two leaders.
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Jorgenson can try but the rest of Visma is not there, period. We'll see what comes of this year's GTs but if Mateo is to succeed he has to beat his own team first, unfortunately.
 
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Great comments, thoughtful. He makes the good point that in his opinion, it's the "right" of Roglic to be positioned to win. And history is history. Visma, the media all said Sepp was coming of age and that the win was deserved and not gifted.
Kuss was ready to take on bigger roles in leadership. The sound of crickets, Kuss has just not showed up, instead of leadership, his role as important lieutenant has been diminished. He is currently a non factor. And with crash calamity that is Jonas's recent racing, it would have been great for Visma to have proven powerful Primoz..
Jorgenson trying unsuccessfully to fill the void of the two leaders.
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It was the right of Primoz to win imo. Or Vingegaard, or Kuss for that matter. I still firmly stand behind the "let's fight it out on the road!" premise. They buckled under (social) media pressure which I still think made the whole outcome pretty embarrassing.

But Roglic also doesn't strike me as the guy to slam his fist on the table and demand it. It was just a very weird situation how it all came together that Vuelta. But I also don't think there's really any bad blood between Primoz and Visma either. I just think it made Roglic realise that he had to move to another team to really have a go at the Tour one (or two) more times as the main man.

(I don't understand what you're trying to say in that bolded part though)
 
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What is strange is how they allowed Vingegaard going away on Tourmalet and then it was all about Kuss after Angliru (what changed after Angliru?). Incoherence behaviour.
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I find it funny how much comments i read "Jonas being great teammate because how he let Kuss win and prevented Roglic winning". Roglic was whole minute in front of him and then he was forced to let Jonas who wanted to win for NVH (didn't gain enough) and after that his daughters birthsday. Of course he attacked early enough to gain minute back even though it was clear that Roglic was much stronger since after someone else attacked on top of the climb, Roglic gained like a 30s in one km against Jonas. It was crazy that people forget like in a week what happened and were all about what a good guy Jonas is. After that race also started downfall for Visma.
 
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