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Cycling111 said:
The Olympics were in 2024. Check out the results of Remco vs. Pogacar in 2024.
Pogacar won every races against Remco, and with a lot of difference.

This reminds me the preview of the Liège . They were supposed to be evenly tied.

You a are assuming that Remco would´ve kicked Pogacar when all year it was the other way around.
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Yeah it's not like Evenepoel only just started riding his bike in February...
 
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Aside from all the races he won, look at the TDF gravel stage. Remco attacks and Pogacar catches him without any problems. With Vingegaard on his wheel, he didn't even need his help to catch him.
And at the end of the stage, if it weren't for Jorgenson, Remco would´ve lost time.

Anyway, my comment was directed at another answer.

Pogacar is more likely to arrive in Paris wearing yellow than Remco. This is an objective opinion. Because, besides, if Pogacar doesn't arrive in Paris wearing yellow, Vingegaard will. Remco has two riders ahead of him in the TDF, Pogacar could only have one.
Barring accidents, the TDF is historically a battle between two riders. The third-place finisher is always a step below. And here we were talking about winning in yellow on that stage. Remco first needs to prove he's the first alternative to the winner. For now, he's a podium rider.
 
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Cycling111 said:
The Olympics were in 2024. Check out the results of Remco vs. Pogacar in 2024.
Pogacar won every races against Remco, and with a lot of difference.

This reminds me the preview of the Liège . They were supposed to be evenly tied.

You a are assuming that Remco would´ve kicked Pogacar when all year it was the other way around.
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Reasonable people know Pogacar is on another level compared to Remco but Remco is a very good classicomano too. His WCRR win and ORR win were very impressive. He attacked and surprised everyone in both occasions and for me this what is more impressive in champions like Remco, Nibali, etc. They are killers, they attack in the right moment.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Reasonable people know Pogacar is on another level compared to Remco but Remco is a very good classicomano too. His WCRR win and ORR win were very impressive. He attacked and surprised everyone in both occasions and for me this what is more impressive in champions like Remco, Nibali, etc. They are killers, they attack in the right moment.
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I'm not saying this, but when we're talking about Pogacar's chances of winning in Paris in yellow, they can't say that Remco kicked allthem in Paris, as if Pogacar had also been one of them.

In any case, this isn't about belittling Remco. Here we saw that from Amstel, the one who was belittling was Pogacar. He was going to lose in Liège, and he wasn't that superior. Doing the Giro-Tour is the easiest thing to do, which is why Roglic will do it. The last pages of this thread revolve around undervaluing his achievements.
And in other thread, it's directly that he wouldn't have won the 2020 and 2021 TDF according to certain hypotheses :sweatsmile:
Some riders should´ve won what they didn't, and Pogacar shouldn't have won what he did.
 
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Cycling111 said:
I'm not saying this, but when we're talking about Pogacar's chances of winning in Paris in yellow, they can't say that Remco kicked allthem in Paris, as if Pogacar had also been one of them.

In any case, this isn't about belittling Remco. Here we saw that from Amstel, the one who was belittling was Pogacar. He was going to lose in Liège, and he wasn't that superior. Doing the Giro-Tour is the easiest thing to do, which is why Roglic will do it. The last pages of this thread revolve around undervaluing his achievements.
And in other thread, it's directly that he wouldn't have won the 2020 and 2021 TDF according to certain hypotheses :sweatsmile:
Some riders should´ve won what they didn't, and Pogacar shouldn't have won what he did.
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Context is always very important. Remco destroyed everyone there however he was lucky that his teammates Wout was strong enough to follow MVP. If not, MVP would probably win.
Remco will also have more difficulty to win in next WC races. Wout is fading and will no longer be able to play the numbers card. However, Belgium is very strong and young guys like Nys, Eetvelt can always step up.
 
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Cycling111 said:
The Olympics were in 2024. Check out the results of Remco vs. Pogacar in 2024.
Pogacar won every races against Remco, and with a lot of difference.

This reminds me the preview of the Liège . They were supposed to be evenly tied.

You a are assuming that Remco would´ve kicked Pogacar when all year it was the other way around.
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On that course Remco beat everyone that showed up. First rule of racing: beat those that compete.
Regarding a final stage of the Tour that includes that course; I was half joking but 3 pages later folks are still seriously debating.
Realistically at this point Remco hasn't shown performance levels to project him onto the TdF podium. He may get there but not showing it now. If he is in the Tour to the end and not in contention for a podium place why wouldn't he save up for that final stage and go nuclear? What major contender will risk their final podium place to chase on those sections? I can see a final stage like that finish in many groups.

What would better reclaim some of Paris' glory more than Remco taking it again?
 
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Oldman said:
On that course Remco beat everyone that showed up. First rule of racing: beat those that compete.
Regarding a final stage of the Tour that includes that course; I was half joking but 3 pages later folks are still seriously debating.
Realistically at this point Remco hasn't shown performance levels to project him onto the TdF podium. He may get there but not showing it now. If he is in the Tour to the end and not in contention for a podium place why wouldn't he save up for that final stage and go nuclear? What major contender will risk their final podium place to chase on those sections? I can see a final stage like that finish in many groups.

What would better reclaim some of Paris' glory more than Remco taking it again?
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No one will let him gain a lot of time. Group 2 syndrome is rare in stage racing. We get more in classics.
 
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