Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[James M]

Summer and holiday is here, I hope everyone’s having a blast. Im busy Ill be coming a baby daddy any day now and cant wait.

As for the TDF, I’m sure it’s going to be fun, but let’s be honest noone beating Pogacar. No one’s even close.
He’s in his own league and its no disrespect to anyone but its not hard to call it like it is, nor should it be for anyone. It doesn’t matter who people like or what they want to happen which a few on this forum seem to base their projection on, the gap between him and number two is gigantic, despite some few ppl screaming for a year its close someway in every race he about to enter based on ancient times and totally irrelevant to today while the numbers always said otherwice., People living in the past and get surprised each race is getting kinda weird at this point. What some might wish to happen is irrelevant including me, what matters is numbers. And if were being realistic only a crash can realistically stop him from winning; the numbers never lie.

Pog 2024 to now has just developed in all areas and for anyone paying attention and he is yeah, no need to say it even, it is self-explanatory.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Summer and holiday is here, I hope everyone’s having a blast. Im busy Ill be coming a baby daddy any day now and cant wait.

As for the TDF, I’m sure it’s going to be fun, but let’s be honest noone beating Pogacar. No one’s even close.
He’s in his own league and its no disrespect to anyone but its not hard to call it like it is, nor should it be for anyone. It doesn’t matter who people like or what they want to happen which a few on this forum seem to base their projection on, the gap between him and number two is gigantic, despite some few ppl screaming for a year its close someway in every race he about to enter based on ancient times and totally irrelevant to today while the numbers always said otherwice., People living in the past and get surprised each race is getting kinda weird at this point. What some might wish to happen is irrelevant including me, what matters is numbers. And if were being realistic only a crash can realistically stop him from winning; the numbers never lie.

Pog 2024 to now has just developed in all areas and for anyone paying attention and he is yeah, no need to say it even, it is self-explanatory.

Congrats mate, it's the best and most frightening thing in the world!
Yeah, it's really hard to think Pogacar won't win the Tour without any misfortune and I think he didn't show his true level in the Dauphine.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Plugge ate his arrogant words. They weren't expecting Pogacar to be so much better.

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[scribers]

It isn't. He can't be worse from what he showed in the Dauphiné.

It is. Because it points to a lack of professionalism on behalf of the team. He should not be making significant changes in season and they’ve done this all of this year. He needs to be on one bike and in proven positions.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It is. Because it points to a lack of professionalism on behalf of the team. He should not be making significant changes in season and they’ve done this all of this year. He needs to be on one bike and in proven positions.

I said he can't do a worse TT in the Tour compared to the one he did in the Dauphiné.

 

[scribers]

Switching bikes and positions like socks and underwear is the exact opposite of marginal gains in professionalized cycling.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Switching bikes and positions like socks and underwear is the exact opposite of marginal gains in professionalized cycling.

He lost 49 seconds in 17 km. He can't be worse than that even if he is switching setups, socks, etc

 

[scribers]

They touted his new position and materials right before he lost that time. Now they are trying to do something different. It’s too late!!

 

[Peyroteo94]

They touted his new position and materials right before he lost that time. Now they are trying to do something different. It’s too late!!

No, it is too late but he can't be worse. That's my point. He was awful in the Dauphiné.

 

[scribers]

I’m sure the team might like to point at pogis spring ambitions as obstructing these kinds of minutiae preparations. But this is exactly why the team needs to be far more conservative with these details and how they approach changes. It’s more like colnago wants to roll out bikes to sell and they’ll risk pogis season to do exactly that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I’m sure the team might like to point at pogis spring ambitions as obstructing these kinds of minutiae preparations. But this is exactly why the team needs to be far more conservative with these details and how they approach changes. It’s more like colnago wants to roll out bikes to sell and they’ll risk pogis season to do exactly that.

They are unprofessional. With such a huge budget, how can he be so much worse than Vingegaard in TTs?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

They are unprofessional. With such a huge budget, how can he be so much worse than Vingegaard in TTs?

Let's wait until the Tour to see how much time he loses to Vingo in the flat TT (if any). The truth is that Pogacar focuses on classics (included cobbles) until almost the end of April so there could be some GT preparation shortcomings (maybe regarding the TT) compared to Vingo, who's fully focused on the Tour. If Pogacar wins the Tour UAE won't change anything but if he loses then they will exclude cobbled monuments (and add one-weeker or another training camp instead) next year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Let's wait until the Tour to see how much time he loses to Vingo in the flat TT (if any). The truth is that Pogacar focuses on classics (included cobbles) until almost the end of April so there could be some GT preparation shortcomings (maybe regarding the TT) compared to Vingo, who's fully focused on the Tour. If Pogacar wins the Tour UAE won't change anything but if he loses then they will exclude cobbled monuments (and add one-weeker or another training camp instead) next year.

He is training for the Tour since May. I really rhink his poor performance in the TT was due to bad equipment.

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar has been posting time trial training sessions on Instagram all year.

The constant changes in bike and position have hurt him.

Last year, he was close to Remco and superior to Vinegaard and Roglic in the first time trial.
I don't understand changing drasticallys omething that was working.

And not just in time trials. He rode the UAE Tour and Milano San Remo on a different bike, which they haven't used again and on which he clearly looked uncomfortable.

 

[tp4493]

Pogacar has been posting time trial training sessions on Instagram all year.

The constant changes in bike and position have hurt him.

Last year, he was close to Remco and superior to Vinegaard and Roglic in the first time trial.
I don't understand changing drasticallys omething that was working.

And not just in time trials. He rode the UAE Tour and Milano San Remo on a different bike, which they haven't used again and on which he clearly looked uncomfortable.

He probably wants to win TT and in the Dauphine during the flat stages he used the aero bike stage one for example and also he is riding it during training

 

[Peyroteo94]

He probably wants to win TT and in the Dauphine during the flat stages he used the aero bike stage one for example and also he is riding it during training

He can't win the TT against top Ganna and top Remco

 

[tp4493]

He can't win the TT against top Ganna and top Remco

I feel like he wants to and therefore he pushes it to the extreme

 

[Peyroteo94]

I feel like he wants to and therefore he pushes it to the extreme

He just isn't so natural like Remco. Maybe he can beat him in a hilly TT, not in a flat TT. Remco is more talented, he can be way more aerodynamic than Pogacar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He just isn't so natural like Remco. Maybe he can beat him in a hilly TT, not in a flat TT. Remco is more talented, he can be way more aerodynamic than Pogacar.

Yup. Remco is just too good in a flat/rolling TT. Pogi doesn't have this combination of power and aerodynamics.
OTOH Remco isn't as natural as Pogi or Vingo in the mountains. They can win there even when not at their best.

 

[Unchained]

Yup. Remco is just too good in a flat/rolling TT. Pogi doesn't have this combination of power and aerodynamics.
OTOH Remco isn't as natural as Pogi or Vingo in the mountains. They can win there even when not at their best.

This could be likely reason for subtle change in position. Most pros are way farther forward to bottom bracket than traditional positions. And someone might have thought raising stack a little, and moving the seat rails would be beneficial in slightly uphill TT, feel more like road bike position than TT configuration. The photos in previous posts have him far forward, and crunched up in the front imo. We will see how it goes.. Remco, Ganna, Tarling all look very fluid on the bike.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This could be likely reason for subtle change in position. Most pros are way farther forward to bottom bracket than traditional positions. And someone might have thought raising stack a little, and moving the seat rails would be beneficial in slightly uphill TT, feel more like road bike position than TT configuration. The photos in previous posts have him far forward, and crunched up in the front imo. We will see how it goes.. Remco, Ganna, Tarling all look very fluid on the bike.

We will see. Changing position isn't that difficult to perform but the problem is obviously how to maintain good levels of power and comfort. Remco is comfortable and powerful enough in a very aerodynamic position (which seem more natural for him).

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup. Remco is just too good in a flat/rolling TT. Pogi doesn't have this combination of power and aerodynamics.
OTOH Remco isn't as natural as Pogi or Vingo in the mountains. They can win there even when not at their best.

I have been saying this for years. This is my main take to think Remco will never win a Tour and will never beat Pogacar or Vingegaard. They are just so much better and can improve more in the mountains. They born to climb unlike Remco.

 

[scribers]

If his times don't remarkably improve at the tour, it is pointless for Pogi to go for the worlds ITT.

 

[scribers]

Also, if Vingo can't deliver a win in the tour, he will HAVE to do the Vuelta or contest worlds course (if if not with a trade team).

 

[Peyroteo94]

If his times don't remarkably improve at the tour, it is pointless for Pogi to go for the worlds ITT.

I don't want him to go. Tour-Vuelta-WCRR should be the goal.
Since Contador bossed Angliru against Purito and Valverde, it is my favorite climb alongside Mortirolo (the hardest side). So I must say I have this dream of seeing Pogacar in red, dropping everyone off his wheel while destroying Heras's record. In fact I am fancying a sub 40 minutes performance there.