Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[yaf2]

no it's not, in this new light weight version (with no paint) it should be around 7.1kg (there are articles on it). But it's not all about weight, it's about how comfortable you are pushing the watts. Pog has clearly some problems pushing the same watts he pushes on the road bike when he's using his TT bike, especially while climbing. And imo the same is true for his aero bike. So even if in theory the tests they are making may suggest the aero bike is faster, when he actually uses it his level is lower because of this

The thing thats even more concerning is he pushed more watts on dauphine stage 6 than his TT on stage 13 despite
*The duration on dauphine was for 19 minutes & the TT was 17 mins
*The tt was a fresh test while the dauphine stage came after a really hard stage where visma attacked him left & right on penultimate climb

 

[Cycling111]

I think the performance of the team was below standards. They didn't control the break, didn't have a lot of guys around him, and the break didn't seem to help for bridge pulling.

Lidl was worse. I mean my god, get that man some intermediate points! That has to be a sour team bus atmosphere.

And Visma's riders was better than what we've seen these past two weeks.

Jorgenson is the only one who remains the same.
Van Aert a little better, and Kuss had his best day.

Campenaerts' climbing level is impressive. And Benoot was much stronger today than climbers like Sivakov or Soler.

Adam is still terrible. I've already said, to be like this, it's better for Adam to be the one in the breakaways on Thursday and Friday. Sivakov and Soler aren't helping at all with this form. If Visma puts riders in the break, it should be Yates who supports them.
But aside from his poor shape, Adam's attitude is very passive.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Looks solid and in control for yellow. Too bad that he seems to not want to do a yellow/green/polka treble

 

[Cycling111]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947686604048372027

View: https://x.com/WattsinCycling/status/1947686604048372027?t=QffedgNoA1kso_xmBO-w7A&s=19

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947688226216435782

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They're saying he is at the same level as couillole

Vingegaard, not Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The thing thats even more concerning is he pushed more watts on dauphine stage 6 than his TT on stage 13 despite
*The duration on dauphine was for 19 minutes & the TT was 17 mins
*The tt was a fresh test while the dauphine stage came after a really hard stage where visma attacked him left & right on penultimate climb

No he didn't... he was pushing 7.4 W/Kg on Peyragudes

 

[scribers]

And Visma's riders was better than what we've seen these past two weeks.

Jorgenson is the only one who remains the same.
Van Aert a little better, and Kuss had his best day.

Campenaerts' climbing level is impressive. And Benoot was much stronger today than climbers like Sivakov or Soler.

Adam is still terrible. I've already said, to be like this, it's better for Adam to be the one in the breakaways on Thursday and Friday. Sivakov and Soler aren't helping at all with this form. If Visma puts riders in the break, it should be Yates who supports them.
But aside from his poor shape, Adam's attitude is very passive.

A Yates really should have been in that final group somewhere. But instead he didn't pull at all and got squatted way too early in the climb.

I agree with you whole heartedly on Camp and Benoot. Like what was campi doing all the way up there? And pulling the *** out of Vingo to boot! A Yates should have been around for that.

 

[scribers]

Looks solid and in control for yellow. Too bad that he seems to not want to do a yellow/green/polka treble

Is he that far off of any of those jerseys?

 

[yaf2]

No he didn't... he was pushing 7.4 W/Kg on Peyragudes

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946298142535585887

View: https://x.com/triviumcolombia/status/1946298142535585887?t=4Yqrcm2fBQe05djxf2yxVA&s=19

 

[scribers]

Politt was horrible today because of his attitude.

The one who's going to have to take the fall is Pogacar. They've already asked him questions today, and they'll ask them again tomorrow.

Politt should apologize. In the end, it's his leader who has to take the fall for him, and he should be the one to apologize for today's actions. He reminded me of Tony Martin.

I kinda liked it! lol

Gunning up behind the Total Energies dude and breathing down his neck. hahaha

 

[rafa92]

The thing thats even more concerning is he pushed more watts on dauphine stage 6 than his TT on stage 13 despite
*The duration on dauphine was for 19 minutes & the TT was 17 mins
*The tt was a fresh test while the dauphine stage came after a really hard stage where visma attacked him left & right on penultimate climb

in the TT he pushed more watts but for 2 minutes less, overall the performance was similar, but you are right, in the dauphine he was better because he did it after an hard stage and he arrived to the finish in total control

 

[YavorD]

I see 2 factors that explain Pog's lower climbing level compared to 2024.
1. The aero bike is simply not optimal for him for climbing.
2. In 2024 since March he was doing specific climbing trainings. His level was already super high in Catalunya. In 2025 he started climbing drills in May after the Classics. This explains him being slightly worse.

Very much agree with the second point.
And that's why I said before the Tour that I don't think he'll reach his level from last yea, despite no Giro.

Because he was preparing for a GT(s) all season long instead of toying his heavy ass around Roubaix in april.

 

[Cycling111]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946298142535585887

View: https://x.com/triviumcolombia/status/1946298142535585887?t=4Yqrcm2fBQe05djxf2yxVA&s=19

It's a hater Twitter account that is dedicated to distorting a lot of information.

 

[Bratone]

Hello everyone, my first post here even though I've been casually browsing this forum for a while.

I think the momentum has shifted a lot since the beginning of the Tour. Before the start there was an almost unanimous consent over here that Pog will destroy the Tour and break all the climbing records. It was also the same regarding the gap to Vingegaard and that they are not in the same league anymore.

However things are not actually like that, especially the later, and Vingo can still hurt and push him a lot. I think the discussion about conserving energy for Vuelta is actually irrelevant at this point, because, as I was saying, the momentum is shifting day by day, Vingo is gaining more and more confidence and I feel that even if Pog hangs on and wins the Tour, if Vingo manages to drop him even a single time until the end, what do you guys think will happen in the Vuelta ? At the moment I am struggling to see a scenario where Pog could drop Vingo again, either in the Tour or Vuelta if they face each other again this year.

The reality is that Pogacar only dropped Vingo one single time this Tour and that was after an imense lead out by Narvaez. I would dare to say the gap isn't that big, if there even is one at the moment. After the demolition in Dauphine things just went pretty 'underwhelming' in the Tour, even if it sounds harsh.

The team has been very bad (except for Narvaez and Wellens), and unlucky with Almeida's crash but the only other possible explanation that I can find is that Vingo definitely came undercooked in the Dauphine and that Pog peaked a little bit too soon. Can't be just the bike or the crash. Or maybe we need to accept the reality that, again, the gap between him and Vingo maybe doesn't exist at the moment.

Anyways, sorry for the long post, I lost a lot of confidence after the last days, just hoping he can somehow hang on and take this over the line, but it will be very, very hard and Visma & Vingo will put him through hell.

 

[scribers]

It was just stage 15 that Vingo had to chase alone 20k without his team.

The momentum literally has not shifted. Visma had a nice day out and Pogi broke the climbing record while maintaining his 4+ minute advantage.

The Vuelta? It can wait if necessary. Worlds and another Monument await

 

[yaf2]

It's a hater Twitter account that is dedicated to distorting a lot of information.

U can check the watts 2 win website by clicking pogacars whole career performance & dont be surprised todays performance isn't even in his top 7

 

[YavorD]

Or maybe the gap wasn't as big as we thought?
It simply was inflated by Narvaez' accelerations killing Vingegaard's legs. And without them, they would be much,. much closer

 

[Jack_89]

"But the one thing they love more than a hero, is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying.”​

Me everytime I see Pogacar no winning and read comments here and there 😂 I'm not even mentioning some eminent profiles on X( we all know who they are) who act as if they are impartial but who are secretly hoping to see him falling apart. 😂😂

 

[Pantani_lives]

The team messed up tactically today. Politt did superb work, but the rest of the team didn't help. Sending Soler and Sivakov in the break was pointless. If they had just made a train to keep the gap under five minutes, Pogacar would have won on the Mont Ventoux in yellow. Breaking the climbing record without winning the stage is a missed opportunity. Of course defending yellow is the most important thing, but this chance probably won't come back.

 

[rodanafrenteguigs]

I just dont get it so much hate regarding Pogi, he is a lovely guy and an outstanding cyclist, lets just enjoy it please.

 

[Valv.Piti]

*** the Vuelta. If you race this race with the Vuelta in mind against Vingegaard and Visma, you deserve to lose. Third tier GT and I can assure you Pog aint thinking about that right now. Chris Froome could do it because he faced absolute meme competition in 2016 and especially 2017

The plan was always to smash Hautacam, smash Peyragudes, ride defensively to Superbagneres and potentially counter Jonas if opportunity arose and deal the final and killing blow on Ventoux IMO and render the stages in the alps meaningless. He could not do that today, and he would have if he had the legs. Now Visma and Jonas smell blood and will unleash hell on Madeleine, I can assure you that much. If Pogacar gets dropped there, he most likely loses the Tour if Visma plays these stages like they usually do and UAE continues to be tactically inept and just rely on Pog strength.

 

[Bratone]

Or maybe the gap wasn't as big as we thought?
It simply was inflated by Narvaez' accelerations killing Vingegaard's legs. And without them, they would be much,. much closer

Completely agree with that. If Pog really wants to race the Vuelta he needs someone more reliable than Narvaez on the long climbs / difficult mountain stages who can really launch him and the only one I can think of is Del Toro. Otherwise, I am really struggling to imagine how he can drop Vingegaard by himself. The same can be said about next year's Tour.

 

[jono]

Pogacar and Vingegaard half assing Ventoux and still having the fastest ascent ever is quite funny tbh

Roglic and Lipowitz also beat this record time.

 

[theyoungest]

Anyways, sorry for the long post, I lost a lot of confidence after the last days, just hoping he can somehow hang on and take this over the line, but it will be very, very hard and Visma & Vingo will put him through hell.

He's over 4 minutes ahead... of course he can collapse completely, it has happened before, but that was before his switch in trainers. The Ventoux is the first climb where Vingegaard ever dropped Pogacar a few years ago and in terms of the effort it just suits him way more than it does Pogi. Still Pogi managed to hang on today and even attack, so I wouldn't be too worried.

I have to say that today was the first time I saw Vingegaard with somewhat of the same ease he had in his best days in 22-23, so that's maybe a worry if you're a Pogi fan, but then again he crashed after the stage so that should take away some of that newfound form.

 

[Bratone]

He's over 4 minutes ahead... of course he can collapse completely, it has happened before, but that was before his switch in trainers. The Ventoux is the first climb where Vingegaard ever dropped Pogacar a few years ago and in terms of the effort it just suits him way more than it does Pogi. Still Pogi managed to hang on today and even attack, so I wouldn't be too worried.

I have to say that today was the first time I saw Vingegaard with somewhat of the same ease he had in his best days in 22-23, so that's maybe a worry if you're a Pogi fan, but then again he crashed after the stage so that should take away some of that newfound form.

The 4 min gap is obviously comforting but at the same time it can prove to be useless if what @Valv.Piti is suggesting will happen. Vingo drops Pog on Madeleine and it's game over. At the level that these 2 are riding right now it takes a single 'drop' to completely kill the other.

 

[theyoungest]

Roglic and Lipowitz also beat this record time.

That's what people tend to ignore in these lists. "Oh, Simon Yates beat Froomey's time on the Finestre by a few minutes!" Yes, as did about 10 other riders. Apparently the conditions were quite different. Or maybe the collective peloton has gotten a lot better (I think it has).