Cookster15
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Which grand tour and year was that ?Valverde is one of three people who have beaten him on GC in a Grand Tour.
Which grand tour and year was that ?Valverde is one of three people who have beaten him on GC in a Grand Tour.
The same Jonas last year was two weeks in emergency care and went all out for the Tour.I don't have Jonas or MvdP trying to rip my legs off every week, pushing nearly 7 w/kg for 20mins.
2019. The only challenger to RoglicWhich grand tour and year was that ?
I hope you are joking ehehehehValverde is one of three people who have beaten him on GC in a Grand Tour.
Thanks. Pogacar hadn't even turned 21 by the 2019 Vuelta and was still largely unknown. He first announced himself at the Tour of California that year.2019. The only challenger to Roglic
And you might say there was luck involved, but there sure have been lots of GT's where Valverde has gotten incredibly unlcuky as well. Valverde was still the best in 09.
2019. The only challenger to Roglic
And you might say there was luck involved, but there sure have been lots of GT's where Valverde has gotten incredibly unlcuky as well. Valverde was still the best in 09.
If I'd won 4 TdFs, a Giro, a Worlds and all those Classics, and earnt a fortune, I'm not risking my life on 90 km/h descents any more, I'm retiring tomorrow. Like you'd do any different.The same Jonas last year was two weeks in emergency care and went all out for the Tour.
The same Jonas has a wife with two small kids.
He is older than Pogacar and doesn't talk about retirement like Tadej.
No excuses.
In fact his wife told he is close to retirement. I don't see Vingegaard past 2028.The same Jonas last year was two weeks in emergency care and went all out for the Tour.
The same Jonas has a wife with two small kids.
He is older than Pogacar and doesn't talk about retirement like Tadej.
No excuses.
Of course, easily. Piss weak Tour. Valverde 2017 is so slept on because it was only half a season. Best version ever of BalaWe both know he would have won the 2017 Tour.
In what GT, would he win a GT against Pogacar?Huh?
That's an irrefutable fact.
The route was a joke2019. The only challenger to Roglic
And you might say there was luck involved, but there sure have been lots of GT's where Valverde has gotten incredibly unlcuky as well. Valverde was still the best in 09.
In what GT, would he win a GT against Pogacar?
You don’t need to dismiss or insult others’ opinions to make your own point.I've worked hard for nearly 30 years. I'm OK though, I don't have Jonas or MvdP trying to rip my legs off every week, pushing nearly 7 w/kg for 20mins. Again, try living in his body right now and stick to the playstation.
Pretty normal route. Ofc prime Valverde wouldn't stand a chance against prime Pogacar, but nobody in the entire history of the sport would stand a chance. But what we are arguing here was that Valverde was much more than just a lucky GT winner that never got close again as we have seen many other past winners have done. In fact he should have won more than just one Vuelta if we are being completely honest.The route was a joke
I was talking about Vuelta 2009He finished ahead of him in the 2019 Vuelta. "Route was a joke" is a piss poor argument, the route was fine, and he finished ahead of him, how can you assume I joke when it happened?
Of course I'm not arguing that he'd be smoking 2024 Pogacar.
What edition was he close to win?Pretty normal route. Ofc prime Valverde wouldn't stand a chance against prime Pogacar, but nobody in the entire history of the sport would stand a chance. But what we are arguing here was that Valverde was much more than just a lucky GT winner that never got close again as we have seen many other past winners have done. In fact he should have won more than just one Vuelta if we are being completely honest.
Probably explains why Pogacar rides so fast.I don't have Jonas or MvdP trying to rip my legs off every week,
Then no one shall remember your name, and you will be forgotten about as a footnote to the great MerckxIf I'd won 4 TdFs, a Giro, a Worlds and all those Classics, and earnt a fortune, I'm not risking my life on 90 km/h descents any more, I'm retiring tomorrow. Like you'd do any different.
Vingegaard never won classics or monuments either , he is literally the only threat to Pog, imagine without Vingegaard how thins would be , very poor indeed, it’s indeed a great thing that Ving is there for Pogs legacy, without him Pog won’t be in such high esteemSometimes that is just how it is. In 1985 and 1986 Lemond and Hinault were head and shoulders above anyone else. Between 1991 and 1995 Indurain dominated, daylight second best.
Froome was not close to Pogacar and Vingegaard's level. So of course there were more riders in the conversation such as Quintana, Valverde (who won just a single grand tour and there was some luck involved in that). And Froome never won big classics or monuments.
Roglic came to he sport later via ski jumping but agree there can be some question marks on his longevity now.
I don't think you can compare what Pogacar has done and is still doing against any of those mentioned - and across both grand tours and one day races. Only Vingegaard is serious competition but he is really a stage racer who doesn't target one day races. Hopefully we see Vingegaard target a Giro or Vuelta. He was amazing in the 2023 Vuelta.
As for fatigue talk, that might be honestly how Pogacar feels but it doesn't seem to slow him. In 2024 he said he was dead after the Tour yet look what he continued to do - win more big races including the words and Lombardy in dominant fashion with long range solos.
PlayStation ? Tour of the wolds ?You aren't living in his body. He's just had the most insane 18 months in cycling history, by a mile. No disrespect, but to question his level of fatigue, you must have zero understanding of how a human body works. Seriously, stick to the playstation.
4 time TdF champs are remembered by everyone. How you view his legacy won't make him any happier when he gets up in the morning, after he's retired though, do you realise that? He does, do you?Then no one shall remember your name, and you will be forgotten about as a footnote to the great Merckx
Congrats on your club hill climb 👍PlayStation ? Tour of the wolds ?
Listen I win my club hill climb in 2008 on the wolds , what have you done that’s better ?
Fatigue ? Pah, Pogi is in the top 3-5 of all time sure, but fatigue at 26? Doesn’t deserve to adjust Merckx’s saddle due to his debilitating injury for almost of his career, Pogi can’t even win half of his palmares before talking about retirement.
Sure, three quarters of Merckx results in this sacred modern age can be enough to put him with him, but will he do it ? Well he has to, has to win a lot more, or no goat status for pogi.
Stick to your sega mega drive , and respect the history of cycling ‘king’
Thank you, was a great victory.4 time TdF champs are remembered by everyone. How you view his legacy won't make him any happier when he gets up in the morning, after he's retired though, do you realise that? He does, do you?
Congrats on your club hill climb 👍