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who is stronger,eddie or pog on bread and water,old bikes.50 races.
you do realize that if everybody raced today with the same bikes and nutrition of 50 years ago the gaps would be much larger in favour of who has more natural talent? when everybody trains and takes care of nutrition like a maniac and focuses on marginal gains it becomes exponentially harder for anyone to dominate. (it's the equivalent of what happens in competitive markets if you want to find a link to economics).
The gap that pogacar has in the modern era is the biggest testament to his greatness. With old bikes and nutrition his gap with the rest would probably be much larger and his dominance even greater. I really do not understand how people do not get this point
 
you do realize that if everybody raced today with the same bikes and nutrition of 50 years ago the gaps would be much larger in favour of who has more natural talent? when everybody trains and takes care of nutrition like a maniac and focuses on marginal gains it becomes exponentially harder for anyone to dominate. (it's the equivalent of what happens in competitive markets if you want to find a link to economics).
The gap that pogacar has in the modern era is the biggest testament to his greatness. With old bikes and nutrition his gap with the rest would probably be much larger and his dominance even greater. I really do not understand how people do not get this point
When did Heart rate monitors, Bike Computers with live data tracking start to be mainstream in the peloton?

Gaps were also larger in the pre GPS era as time gaps were not reliable or as readily available so you would just keep pushing at close to peak power as long as possible.
 
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In Merckx's era, the best climber would get cooked before the mountains.
Merckx is like WVA who could climb like Oscar Only in his hey days.
Merckx is a much better climber than you think.
I’ve already said i agree Pog and Ving are brilliant, whether they could climb better than say Bahamontes with the conditions of the time is debatable.
The fact is, you are in the minority to say Pog is the goat already, you might think it, but it doesn’t make it true. You don’t seem to be able to deal with the fact he has to win a lot more to be on Merckx level
 
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When did Heart rate monitors, Bike Computers with live data tracking start to be mainstream in the peloton?

Gaps were also larger in the pre GPS era as time gaps were not reliable or as readily available so you would just keep pushing at close to peak power as long as possible.
how does this has anything to do with what I wrote??
 
There is also another consideration that Pog is an average descender, Merckx was one of the best.
If Pog had an edge anywhere it is in pure climbing , but he needs to take another leap in performance from 23-25, he has to do the same again in order to put Merckx in trouble. Even if he has a gap over Merckx of 90 seconds over a mountain Eddy is making that up on the descent.
Pog doesn’t have the all round racing ability to beat Merckx
 
Merckx is a much better climber than you think.
I’ve already said i agree Pog and Ving are brilliant, whether they could climb better than say Bahamontes with the conditions of the time is debatable.
The fact is, you are in the minority to say Pog is the goat already, you might think it, but it doesn’t make it true. You don’t seem to be able to deal with the fact he has to win a lot more to be on Merckx level
Merckx was not the best climber - this is also Merckx's opinion btw.
Nowadays, a GT is won by the best climber. Just look to the Tour in the last 10 editions.
 
Merckx was not the best climber - this is also Merckx's opinion btw.
Nowadays, a GT is won by the best climber. Just look to the Tour in the last 10 editions.
It’s more or less always been that way, saying that, Thomas was not a better climber than Froome.
Merckx was a humble guy who would praise his opponents, he definitely was the best climber or certainly chose to it.
Again, before his accident he was a great climber, afterwards he was maybe just a very very good one.
 
I always thought Roubaix , San remo, Flanders, Lombardy , liege.
My reasoning is flanders and Roubaix are right next to each other, and flanders is the inferior, so that elevates San remo somewhat.
Liege is in a part of the season when there are other hard classic like Amstel, Lombardy is sort of out on its own , also it’s one monument where heavy guys struggle so makes it unique.
Anyway that’s my reasoning.
 
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It’s more or less always been that way, saying that, Thomas was not a better climber than Froome.
Merckx was a humble guy who would praise his opponents, he definitely was the best climber or certainly chose to it.
Again, before his accident he was a great climber, afterwards he was maybe just a very very good one.
Merckx was anything but humble. I'm not saying he was arrogant but he was a killer and a champion so if he really said he wasn't the best climber, it's probably because there were better climbers.
 
The fact is it was a heyday for one day riders in Merckx era , and he still was the best.
In his tour victories look at the top ten you will see grand tour winners on the podium in all of his wins bar one, I think.
Merckx is goat for a reason
 

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