Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[hayneplane]

A 110 km solo is almost impossible. He is not a robot. And we don't know how much he will need to recover when he decides to move. Roglic will be important but he will not move an inch for Pogacar.

It probably would not be wholly solo but bridging to a small group.

Every chance of some mutual cooperation from UAE teammates like Del Toro and Almeida who are also their countries best chance of a podium so have no great conflicts of interest. Such moves would benefit the chances of good results for all 3 riders.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It probably would not be wholly solo but bridging to a small group.

Every chance of some mutual cooperation from UAE teammates like Del Toro and Almeida who are also their countries best chance of a podium so have no great conflicts of interest. Such moves would benefit the chances of good results for all 3 riders.

Yeah, some UAE teammates may cooperate with Pogi (like Sivakov last year).

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah, some UAE teammates may cooperate with Pogi (like Sivakov last year).

Ayuso will be there to be the Valverde to Pogacar’s Purito.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Ayuso will be there to be the Valverde to Pogacar’s Purito.

Not expecting Ayuso to be helpful haha

 

[SHAD0W93]

Not expecting Ayuso to be helpful haha

Oh he’ll be helpful to somebody, the who is TBD.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It probably would not be wholly solo but bridging to a small group.

Every chance of some mutual cooperation from UAE teammates like Del Toro and Almeida who are also their countries best chance of a podium so have no great conflicts of interest. Such moves would benefit the chances of good results for all 3 riders.

Both of them are not one day racers. I believe more in Narvaez.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The most important thing for Teddy is maintain the gap under 3 minutes. If so, he will win IMO.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Pidcock is coming for Pog next tour…

 

[Cycling111]

Ayuso is on the starting list for Lombardia, unless she decides not to go as he does every year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Ayuso is on the starting list for Lombardia, unless she decides not to go as he does every year.

Don't expect him to be there.

 

[hayneplane]

Both of them are not one day racers. I believe more in Narvaez.

Del Toro has a fairly decent one day record with a win in Milano - Torino and podium at San Sebastián.

 

[Cycling111]

Del Toro has a fairly decent one day record with a win in Milano - Torino and podium at San Sebastián.

Milan Turin's startlist wasn't very good.

UAE specializes in winning small races, and then those riders don't do the same in the big ones.

In today's classic, the best UAE rider wasn't even in the top 30. But they won day all the races at the beginning of the year in Sapin and they will win the Italian ones at the end of the year against several Pro Conti riders.

I'm not saying this is the case with Del Toro, but it is with many other riders.

There's a reason thbat UAE has been unable to win a major classic without Pogacar. I remember Visma winning with Laporte, Jorgenson, and even Tratnik, in the Northern campaign. UAE has 0 wins in those classics without Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Del Toro has a fairly decent one day record with a win in Milano - Torino and podium at San Sebastián.

Maybe you are right. I'm yet to see Toro's true level in classics. Maybe he can win GdL or LBL in the future.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Milan Turin's startlist wasn't very good.

UAE specializes in winning small races, and then those riders don't do the same in the big ones.

In today's classic, the best UAE rider wasn't even in the top 30. But they won day all the races at the beginning of the year in Sapin and they will win the Italian ones at the end of the year against several Pro Conti riders.

I'm not saying this is the case with Del Toro, but it is with many other riders.

There's a reason thbat UAE has been unable to win a major classic without Pogacar. I remember Visma winning with Laporte, Jorgenson, and even Tratnik, in the Northern campaign. UAE has 0 wins in those classics without Pogacar.

UAE wins big only with Pogacar. This is very telling specially when I hear they have so much talent.

 

[hayneplane]

Maybe you are right. I'm yet to see Toro's true level in classics. Maybe he can win GdL or LBL in the future.

For sure I could see him winning GDL without Pogacar.

 

[Cycling111]

Don't expect him to be there.

He'll probably resign to avoid being a domestique, like in previous years.
It would only worsen the team atmosphere.

 

[Oldman]

A 110 km solo is almost impossible. He is not a robot. And we don't know how much he will need to recover when he decides to move. Roglic will be important but he will not move an inch for Pogacar.

If they're in an escape together you think he wouldn't trade pulls?

 

[Oldman]

UAE wins big only with Pogacar. This is very telling specially when I hear they have so much talent.

Next year he could be the answer to what's going on in the Vuelta now. He was guided into a strategic Giro loss by the same brain trust that's straddled between Ayuso's self interest and any shot at a podium in Spain.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If they're in an escape together you think he wouldn't trade pulls?

Roglic will be cooked after 4 hours ff racing

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next year I expect this:
Almeida - Giro-Tour
Del Toro - Tour-Vuelta (I don't know about the Vuelta but I think he should drop time on purpose in the Tour and help Pogacar in the high mountains.)
Pogacar - Tour

They all lead one GT. I believe Ayuso will leave this year. If not, Tour-Vuelta for him.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Next year I expect this:
Almeida - Giro-Tour
Del Toro - Tour-Vuelta (I don't know about the Vuelta but I think he should drop time on purpose in the Tour and help Pogacar in the high mountains.)
Pogacar - Tour

They all lead one GT. I believe Ayuso will leave this year. If not, Tour-Vuelta for him.

No way Ayuso is in one of Pogi's TdF teams. Zero. Forget it. Not happening.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No way Ayuso is in one of Pogi's TdF teams. Zero. Forget it. Not happening.

Yeah. But I believe he will not be in UAE after 2025

 

[hayneplane]

UAE wins big only with Pogacar. This is very telling specially when I hear they have so much talent.

Yeah very true.

Look at the 4 main dominating teams in the last 20 years:

Ineos - Won the TDF with 4 different riders (Wiggins/Froome/Thomas/Bernal) and Monuments with 2 different riders (Poels/Kwiatkowski)

Jumbo Visma - Won Grand Tours with 4 different riders (Roglic/Vingegaard/Kuss/S.Yates) and Monuments with 2 different riders (Roglic/Van Aert)

Quickstep - Won Monuments with 5 different riders (Boonen/Devolder/Terpstra/Boonen/Alaphilippe/Evenepoel)

UAE - Only Pogacar has won either a monument or grand tour with them.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah very true.

Look at the 4 main dominating teams in the last 20 years:

Ineos - Won the TDF with 4 different riders (Wiggins/Froome/Thomas/Bernal) and Monuments with 2 different riders (Poels/Kwiatkowski)

Jumbo Visma - Won Grand Tours with 4 different riders (Roglic/Vingegaard/Kuss/S.Yates) and Monuments with 2 different riders (Roglic/Van Aert)

Quickstep - Won Monuments with 5 different riders (Boonen/Devolder/Terpstra/Boonen/Alaphilippe/Evenepoel)

UAE - Only Pogacar has won either a monument or grand tour with them.

You forgot Van Baarle

 

[hayneplane]

You forgot Van Baarle

Yes. Even more evidence that Pogacar papers over the relative ineptitude of team management.