Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Why not? This year he's been better than ever in his 30s. His climb level at Cipressa was impressive.

I don't think VDP will do any more TDFs. Their road schedules are half a year.

MVP already said he doesn't see himself racing until his late 30s.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Today, the European Championship is the most irrelevant race for Pogacar.

No, it's not. It is a good prep race for GdL and he likes to win new races.
Looking to the route, I think it will be another massacre.

 

[Cycling111]

MVP already said he doesn't see himself racing until his late 30s.

Well, he's 30 and has been at his best.

That's what many have said, and they continue.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well, he's 30 and has been at his best.

That's what many have said, and they continue.

He is 30. I said he will retire after his 2028 season.

 

[scribers]

He is 30. I said he will retire after his 2028 season.

You also said pogi would be caught by the chase at 30k Sunday

 

[Cycling111]

The only question is whether VDP will be at the same level at Cipressa next year.
I never thought he'd climb like this.

 

[rafa92]

The only question is whether VDP will be at the same level at Cipressa next year.
I never thought he'd climb like this.

keep in mind they go up cipressa at 40 km/h, it's hardly a climb with modern equipment, and draft is huge. But pogacar next year has a chance of going solo. He needs 2 things: a great team, much better than last year, and then he also needs a slightly higher level than 2025. This year we can't forget he had a bad crash in SB just 14 days before MSR and he said that for a week he had to take it easy, if everything goes smoothly in 2026 he can arrive to MSR in even better shape

 

[Cycling111]

keep in mind they go up cipressa at 40 km/h, it's hardly a climb with modern equipment, and draft is huge. But pogacar next year has a chance of going solo. He needs 2 things: a great team, much better than last year, and then he also needs a slightly higher level than 2025. This year we can't forget he had a bad crash in SB just 14 days before MSR and he said that for a week he had to take it easy, if everything goes smoothly in 2026 he can arrive to MSR in even better shape

Still, it's impressive that VDP climbed it much better than all the punchers.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You also said pogi would be caught by the chase at 30k Sunday

Yes I said. Can I give my opinion? Or you don't allow me to give it? In any moment I said I was right.

 

[Peyroteo94]

keep in mind they go up cipressa at 40 km/h, it's hardly a climb with modern equipment, and draft is huge. But pogacar next year has a chance of going solo. He needs 2 things: a great team, much better than last year, and then he also needs a slightly higher level than 2025. This year we can't forget he had a bad crash in SB just 14 days before MSR and he said that for a week he had to take it easy, if everything goes smoothly in 2026 he can arrive to MSR in even better shape

He needs to be well positioned with Wellens and Narvaez. That's it.

 

[scribers]

Yes I said. Can I give my opinion? Or you don't allow me to give it? In any moment I said I was right.

That's cool. There is a difference between declarative discourse and situational conversation

 

[Cycling111]

He needs to be well positioned with Wellens and Narvaez. That's it.

If VDP climbs at the same level next year, it will be useless. He'll have to wait for VDP to fail in the sprint.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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[Berniece]

If VDP climbs at the same level next year, it will be useless. He'll have to wait for VDP to fail in the sprint.

Maybe more riders will ride it that could follow them. WVA, Evenepoel. So there are other opportunities for Pogacar

 

[rafa92]

He needs to be well positioned with Wellens and Narvaez. That's it.

yes, only problem is that they never make it. They need to be well positioned but they also need a third rider, and that's del Toro

 

[Cycling111]

yes, only problem is that they never make it. They need to be well positioned but they also need a third rider, and that's del Toro

Del Toro has positioning problems. He had that problem again at Mont Kigali.
And he still raises doubts when the race is too long.

For me, the most important has to be Narvaez. Before him, anyone who positions well is more important than a climber who doesn't position well.

 

[Peyroteo94]

yes, only problem is that they never make it. They need to be well positioned but they also need a third rider, and that's del Toro

Last year, Pogacar wasn't well positioned. Wellens and Narvaez were in front IIRC.
Other thing I would change is Politt's job.
He can't be at the front so I would put him at work for 100 km until Cipressa.

 

[fenns]

He might be better going at the earlier climb - the Cipressa just isn't steep enough

 

[Tanakka]

He might be better going at the earlier climb - the Cipressa just isn't steep enough

Which "earlier climb"???
Capo Berta?
Too short.

More reasonable, it would appear, to make a couple UAE guys start the hell on Capo Berta, and keep it up till Cipressa, but the question is if then he'd have 2-3 more left, in good spots, at the bottom of Cipressa.
Not easy, quite demanding: needs a bunch of guys giving it all, being in good condition, and not screwing it up.

Poggio = 3,7 km; 3,7% average, with some 8% parts
Cipressa = 5,6 km; 4,1% average
'Capo Berta = 1.9 km; 6.6% average
'Capo Cervo = 1.9km; 2,4% average
'Capo Mele = 1.7km; 4.2% average

'Passo del Turchino' - 9.5 km; 5.1% average - is a tad too far.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Which "earlier climb"???
Capo Berta?
Too short.

More reasonable, it would appear, to make a couple UAE guys start the hell on Capo Berta, and keep it up till Cipressa, but the question is if then he'd have 2-3 more left, in good spots, at the bottom of Cipressa.
Not easy, quite demanding: needs a bunch of guys giving it all, being in good condition, and not screwing it up.

Poggio = 3,7 km; 3,7% average, with some 8% parts
Cipressa = 5,6 km; 4,1% average
'Capo Berta = 1.9 km; 6.6% average
'Capo Cervo = 1.9km; 2,4% average
'Capo Mele = 1.7km; 4.2% average

'Passo del Turchino' - 9.5 km; 5.1% average - is a tad too far.

Where did you get that horribly wrong data on the Turchino?

 

[Shortcut]

He might be better going at the earlier climb - the Cipressa just isn't steep enough

I hope he tries (or UAE) on Berta, it would be crazy move and move for history even if he loses. But i think it is also only way to bring Del Toro and Narvaez with him on Cipressa. Otherwise Del Toro will be lost again.

 

[Tanakka]

Where did you get that horribly wrong data on the Turchino?

Yeah, it sounded weird to me as well, but I didn't even bother checking properly given that, regardless, the 'Turchino' is 155km away from the finish.
Therefore it doesn't matter.

 

[Savant12]

I hope he tries (or UAE) on Berta, it would be crazy move and move for history even if he loses. But i think it is also only way to bring Del Toro and Narvaez with him on Cipressa. Otherwise Del Toro will be lost again.

They might need to try something new. I think 2 years ago they wanted to set up Pog on the Cipressa but the team didn't position well. This year, they came closer but it wasn't a perfect lead-out for Pog. Maybe, they'll try again next year and hope they have a couple of guys left in a train to power up from the bottom.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But will Pogacar? It's him who talked like a burnt out grandpa not a long time ago.

Van Aert may well be racing after the other two have retired.

 

[Peyroteo94]

They might need to try something new. I think 2 years ago they wanted to set up Pog on the Cipressa but the team didn't position well. This year, they came closer but it wasn't a perfect lead-out for Pog. Maybe, they'll try again next year and hope they have a couple of guys left in a train to power up from the bottom.

He needs to attack on Cipressa but it is important to make the race slightly harder before. Probably with Politt