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Peyroteo94

Peyroteo94

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Armchair Cyclist said:
It's not blindingly obvious to me. I don't see how it can be blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't come to the situation with a particular mindset.

Feel free to have that mindset, just don't expect everyone to share it.
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So what are your thoughts? How can you explain Pogacar to be at Vingegaard's level (in the last week) when he was clearly stronger in the second week.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
That's why this British lawyer who can climb at 6+ w/kg is not a pro and only races charity events vs Pogi (and wins).
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Exactly. Anyway Im still disappointed that he didn't lift his bike over his head in honors to Roger De Vlaeminck. I will boycott Richard Mille for the next 12 months.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
It's not blindingly obvious to me. I don't see how it can be blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't come to the situation with a particular mindset.

Feel free to have that mindset, just don't expect everyone to share it.
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Like you seemingly having a particular mindset towards the rider, situation [deleted]?

Feel free to have that mindset, just don't expect everyone to share it.
 
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Armchair Cyclist said:
It's not blindingly obvious to me. I don't see how it can be blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't come to the situation with a particular mindset.

Feel free to have that mindset, just don't expect everyone to share it.
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Pogacar in week 3 of the tour was significantly below his top level (the level he had in the first 2 weeks or in week 3 of tour 2024 or even in lombardia a few days ago). That is just a fact, supported by the numbers he did on long climbs and the gaps with respect to the others. And pogacar himself just confirmed it. He literally said he had knee problems and his body "was in shock". So nothing to do with anyone's mindset, it's just analysing facts in an objective way
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
So what are your thoughts? How can you explain Pogacar to be at Vingegaard's level (in the last week) when he was clearly stronger in the second week.
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On the grounds that, time trials aside, there had been precisely one stage on which he had taken an appreciable amount of time;
The nature of a grand tour as a test to see whether form will be maintained for three weeks;
possibility of illness;
riding defensively with a view to the rest of the season.


There are a number of possibilities.
 
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Peyroteo94

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Armchair Cyclist said:
On the grounds that, time trials aside, there had been precisely one stage on which he had taken an appreciable amount of time;
The nature of a grand tour as a test to see whether form will be maintained for three weeks;
possibility of illness;
riding defensively with a view to the rest of the season.


There are a number of possibilities.
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You should count the TT since it was a MTT and Pogacar was clearly better than Vingegaard there.
But it's "obvious" Pogacar was a step below the level he showed in the second week. So the user you replied is right and there was something wrong with Pogacar (I don't know the reason, maybe sickness, his knee, etc) because he didn't show the same level he showed in the first two weeks.
 
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Zoetemelk-fan

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Armchair Cyclist said:
Now you are one of the forum members who I would have been fairly sure would know that they are not related. Did you find a way of posting an invisible smiley?
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Hah! I KNEW right in the moment as I got a note with a quote on my post, that there would be some kind of correction :D No, total honest answer, I don't know how my grey substance between my ears forgot that in the writing. Embarrasing :rolleyes:
Especially since this is my second embarrasment, since I looked it up ages ago, a few months shortly after Florian did pretty well at the cobbles and watched a hilly race and thought "gosh what a multi talent" and found out about Gianni vs. Florian.
Can I be excused by some pretty busy weeks? :p
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Can you explain how this would happen?
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If he starts with a 5 minute lead and goes 1 minute slower than he actually did then he gets to the top at the same time as Pog, with fresher legs and drafts him to the finish. And that's not even considering what could happen if he had anyone decent in the breakaway with him, which I'm guessing he didn't mainly because UAE was controlling who got to go in the break.
 
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scribers said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1977738670976250176
View: https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1977738670976250176?s=46&t=X4NqNG7J5ZQ-MxPOi53ECQ


My maths ain’t great. But 26 monuments???
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There's a realistic scenario Pogi can win Liege-Lombardia from 2026-2030, putting the possible total to 20. He'll be favored for Flanders but MVDP in good form will always pose a big challenge. MSR will always be a lottery and for Roubaix, well let's see. MVDP is not really getting any younger but more youngsters/possible aliens can always come.

Also, I'm still far from convinced Pogi already retires in 2030 but I'm not ruling it out.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
You are right but it's gaining more and more prestige and I think ORR is considered already a major win.
Major wins:
Monuments, GTs, WCRR, ORR.
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It is not on the same level though as those.

History matters in that regard.

Olympics for a long time was only for amateurs in cycling.

Prestige in winning it now, but not more than that.

It is not a race you need to win or that matters for palmares, when compared to past legends of the sport.
 
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solo80k said:
He needs Olympic Gold as well. 😁
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No he doesn't. "He needs to have most monuments and all of them, most GTs and all of them after that all big one week stage races and most WCs and olimpic gold". And then people would still say he needs to have sime wins at TT to be a GOAT. In really is just about to have all GTs, all monuments and most TdFs. If he get those, that is it for me.
 
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