Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Krzysztof_O]

Look at the first two stages of Catalunya:
Yesterday one guy made the rest look like amateurs in a sprint to the line, an anaerobic effort. Maybe the guy can't climb? Well, today he did the same during an aerobic effort on a long climb.
The true watt monster, the king of anaerobic and aerobic power!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Look at the first two stages of Catalunya:
Yesterday one guy made the rest look like amateurs in a sprint to the line, an anaerobic effort. Maybe the guy can't climb? Well, today he did the same during an aerobic effort on a long climb.
The true watt monster, the king of anaerobic and aerobic power!

They don't call him the GOAT for nothing.

 

[Froome]

in a cynical way I agree. A pity for the teams that can't afford the programs though.

Those teams can afford the programs and they still will not win anything.
These riders are genetically superior.

 

[Froome]

They don't call him the GOAT for nothing.

Merckx already retired.

 

[Mex_17]

My question is why can't anti-doping catch Pogacar? What's missing in the science?

What's the current method that eludes anti-doping checks?

 

[Savant12]

My question is why can't anti-doping catch Pogacar? What's missing in the science?

What's the current method that eludes anti-doping checks?

Pog has "fun" and Vingo has "love". Those two themes are immune to anti-doping checks.

 

[red_flanders]

My question is why can't anti-doping catch Pogacar? What's missing in the science?

What's the current method that eludes anti-doping checks?

They decided some years ago not to bust the big fish.

Not a peep since Froome tested positive. And that was swept under the rug nicely.

 

[Ripper]

Entertaining post from the CN live ticker

"Pogacar is also flying and has opened his gap to 40 seconds. He is definitely from another planet."

 

[fbjim]

still pulling out the innuendo when it's an eastern european. very sad!!!!!!

 

[Slavique Nuke]

still pulling out the innuendo when it's an eastern european. very sad!!!!!!

Do you need a map?

 

[Nick2413]

Gaps of around a minute on 20 minute efforts, that’s 5% better than the rest. Just doesn’t add up.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Gaps of around a minute on 20 minute efforts, that’s 5% better than the rest. Just doesn’t add up.

Teddy just beat an armada of Spanish, Colombian and American farmers. No need to dramatize: a bit of Z2 training & pasta and you would be doing the same.

 

[masking_agent]

My question is why can't anti-doping catch Pogacar? What's missing in the science?

What's the current method that eludes anti-doping checks?

the science is there, as his biological passport would reveal some abnormalities. But the UCI want "the show" so more money can be generated into cycling from the Saudi's and possibly more middle eastern investors. So I think its mainly UCI corruption and turning a blind eye on these specimens who are making a mockery of the entire peloton with their continuous "not normal" efforts. Also, we no longer have a reporter with balls ? There is no David Walsh among the lousy media these days.

 

[Netserk]

It was a 46 minutes effort. 12 riders today faster than Chaves back in 2021.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770474493716119774

View: https://twitter.com/NaichacaCycling/status/1770474493716119774

 

[red_flanders]

the science is there, as his biological passport would reveal some abnormalities. But the UCI want "the show" so more money can be generated into cycling from the Saudi's and possibly more middle eastern investors. So I think its mainly UCI corruption and turning a blind eye on these specimens who are making a mockery of the entire peloton with their continuous "not normal" efforts. Also, we no longer have a reporter with balls ? There is no David Walsh among the lousy media these days.

Yes, great points. But you lost me at the end. David Walsh lost all credibility with the Sky fiasco IMO.

It was a 46 minutes effort. 12 riders today faster than Chaves back in 2021.

Tailwind?

 

[masking_agent]

and at the rate these two are going, with the UCI covering things up, we might see another Triple Crown winner like Stephen Roche who did it clean as well.

 

[Cookster15]

the science is there, as his biological passport would reveal some abnormalities. But the UCI want "the show" so more money can be generated into cycling from the Saudi's and possibly more middle eastern investors. So I think its mainly UCI corruption and turning a blind eye on these specimens who are making a mockery of the entire peloton with their continuous "not normal" efforts. Also, we no longer have a reporter with balls ? There is no David Walsh among the lousy media these days.

So just like the Armstrong and Sky eras. But IMO so is the recent rise of Visma.

@red_flanders: The point about David Walsh stands. He might have lost credibility at the end but there are no inquisitive journalists these days. Else at least one journalist would be asking questions if what we are witnessing can be believed. But lazy journalism is the norm these days. If you can make a good living easy, why challenge the status quo with the stress that would bring. Just report the show and don't worry about how.

 

[Extinction]

still pulling out the innuendo when it's an eastern european. very sad!!!!!!

Unfortunately, Eastern Europe has not been unknown for a state organized doping regime, which is very sad.

 

[Extinction]

So just like the Armstrong and Sky eras. But IMO so is the recent rise of Visma.

@red_flanders: The point about David Walsh stands. He might have lost credibility at the end but there are no inquisitive journalists these days. Else at least one journalist would be asking questions if what we are witnessing can be believed. But lazy journalism is the norm these days. If you can make a good living easy, why challenge the status quo with the stress that would bring. Just report the show and don't worry about how.

If you were an inquisitive journalist today you'd be accused of anti-east europeanism with a racist agenda against Slavs. Much easer to go after Americans, if you hail from the franco- anglo-saxon world.

 

[Nick2413]

So just like the Armstrong and Sky eras. But IMO so is the recent rise of Visma.

@red_flanders: The point about David Walsh stands. He might have lost credibility at the end but there are no inquisitive journalists these days. Else at least one journalist would be asking questions if what we are witnessing can be believed. But lazy journalism is the norm these days. If you can make a good living easy, why challenge the status quo with the stress that would bring. Just report the show and don't worry about how.

I think the bigger issue is how does one ask questions when we know what happens to people who ask questions?

 

[Ripper]

still pulling out the innuendo when it's an eastern european. very sad!!!!!!

Who are you posting in response to?

 

[Red Rick]

How exciting.

We know that when Vingegaard and Pogacar are equally ballistic, they hold hands until the final 200m. Meanwhile every single race only one of them races is completely unwatchable.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

How exciting.

We know that when Vingegaard and Pogacar are equally ballistic, they hold hands until the final 200m. Meanwhile every single race only one of them races is completely unwatchable.

When Vingo and Pog are is similar form I can't see them cooperating on a climb anymore. So they will be holding hands together with those competing for the best human trophy.

 

[Scarponi]

It was a 46 minutes effort. 12 riders today faster than Chaves back in 2021.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770474493716119774

View: https://twitter.com/NaichacaCycling/status/1770474493716119774

What blows my mind is that ten years ago Quintana who was the stand out climber bar froome or contador is minutes behind in every mountain we see today. Just makes you shake your head that those great Quintana performances wouldn't finish top 20 today

 

[Cookster15]

If you were an inquisitive journalist today you'd be accused of anti-east europeanism with a racist agenda against Slavs. Much easer to go after Americans, if you hail from the franco- anglo-saxon world.

Did they go after Sepp Kuss winning the Vuelta? Did they go after Horner winning the same in 2013? Journalists are never there when we need them. Its not always nationalistic.