Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[DrSahl]

Mauro Gianetti claims that Pog is only winning because Vingegaard is in bad shape. He said that Vingegaards last two wins had motivated Pog to become better and that is why he is so good this year.. its just motivation.

No need for clinic thread anymore.. we found the reason why his so good.. its just motivation.

 

[armchairclimber]

Bobby Julich was interesting on the WEDU youtube cast last night. Obvs the gains that he talks about would be in tandem with "medical" assistance. But it's a fairly good breakdown of why this generation is just so much faster ....every day...throughoutt the peloton.

 

[ppanther92]

Very true, I think the reason why Sky got so much stick off the press and fans was because it was just after Lance came out, so us cycling fans were very sensitive.

I rather think it was because of them being obnoxious about being a clean team and others being more or less stupid when you just can improve with science and marginal gains. And this narrative annoyed me the hell out.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Bobby Julich was interesting on the WEDU youtube cast last night. Obvs the gains that he talks about would be in tandem with "medical" assistance. But it's a fairly good breakdown of why this generation is just so much faster ....every day...throughoutt the peloton.

Yes interesting to hear from a coach about how "fueling" has changed. And I don't think it can be discounted as some of the explanation, the problem I see though is that it does not account for the sudden jump in performance. Especially as it is around long enough to have already affected young riders significantly, who, as Julich claimed and I guess he'll know, are also going faster than ever before. But if it's a known known for a longer time than a few years, why did we see an explosion in such a short time? Also the gains that this needs to account for are bonkers, even if you factor in that maybe the training principles of old were wrong from the new perspective.
He also talked about new methods of regeneration, like ice bath etc., but this stuff has been around forever now and we didn't see Froome go up a hill remotely as close as Pogacar does and they at least lay claim to have been the first team to take this stuff really seriously.
So while Julich's take was very interesting to hear about, the main questions remain unsolved for me.

 

[Extinction]

Yes interesting to hear from a coach about how "fueling" has changed. And I don't think it can be discounted as some of the explanation, the problem I see though is that it does not account for the sudden jump in performance. Especially as it is around long enough to have already affected young riders significantly, who, as Julich claimed and I guess he'll know, are also going faster than ever before. But if it's a known known for a longer time than a few years, why did we see an explosion in such a short time? Also the gains that this needs to account for are bonkers, even if you factor in that maybe the training principles of old were wrong from the new perspective.
He also talked about new methods of regeneration, like ice bath etc., but this stuff has been around forever now and we didn't see Froome go up a hill remotely as close as Pogacar does and they at least lay claim to have been the first team to take this stuff really seriously.
So while Julich's take was very interesting to hear about, the main questions remain unsolved for me.

Simple, nutrition and equipment alone cannot explain the ridiculous jumps in performance.

 

[Red Rick]

New propaganda just dropped.

Its called a Brain Coach

 

[Salvarani]

The new Goat era goes so hard

Go, go, go

 

[Coffeeplanter]

New propaganda just dropped.

Its called a Brain Coach

The interview from Nieuwsblad with the 'brain coach' is quite funny. Apparently the man in question, Stijn Quanten is his name, received his training from the (in)famous MilanLab. You know, the place where careers magically got extended and had alleged ties to Fuentes. Furthermore, he says Pogacar is an exceptional talent because he scores higher on several cognitive and emotional tests than Wayne Rooney. I mean, if he ain't the pinnacle of mental strength and fortitude I don't know who is.

 

[awavey]

New propaganda just dropped.

Its called a Brain Coach

Sky were using one back in 2011, who'd been knocking around at BC for around 10 years prior to that.

 

[awavey]

Was in part the British that cannibalised Team Sky, lots of money, political/cultural capital, made on the back of their rise but they were absolutely loving it when they fell as well, parading Wiggo around on Andrew Marr was a highlight. You just wait until Jude Bellingham puts a foot wrong, they're already circling.

Whether the Slovenians, Dutch or Danes have a culture of eating their own I'm not entirely sure. Whatever brings these guys down will most likely be outside the cycling body politic because the current crop, outside of a few random Frenchmen don't have the brains or the bollocks to do anything.

I kind of think the press are already on a Bellingham feeding frenzy, alot of which feels manufactured. Sky always had that Murdoch connection, and now Ineos with Radcliffe, a sort of easy to attack figurehead connection, they probably get less grief for the cycling team currently because theyre in this not good enough anymore category, but you can see the amount of angst his Man Utd deal had, and then how much Ten Hag had to put up with, and the instant Brailsford appeared in the stands it was all about what does some guy from cycling know about football.

 

[awavey]

The interview from Nieuwsblad with the 'brain coach' is quite funny. Apparently the man in question, Stijn Quanten is his name, received his training from the (in)famous MilanLab. You know, the place where careers magically got extended and had alleged ties to Fuentes. Furthermore, he says Pogacar is an exceptional talent because he scores higher on several cognitive and emotional tests than Wayne Rooney. I mean, if he ain't the pinnacle of mental strength and fortitude I don't know who is.

I think my cat would score higher on cognitive and emotional tests than Wayne Rooney

 

[Floatstick]

Bobby Julich was interesting on the WEDU youtube cast last night. Obvs the gains that he talks about would be in tandem with "medical" assistance. But it's a fairly good breakdown of why this generation is just so much faster ....every day...throughoutt the peloton.

I thought the same and I don't doubt that newer fueling strategies are better. As others have noted, I don't see them explaining the big jumps in performance, across so many riders. Part of that skepticism is from knowing fuel is just part of a very complex set of inputs and the rest is from knowing that every single time someone put up a similar explanation in the past the bigger factor was doping.

Floyd Landis, via Antoine Vayer thinks:
"Here's my quote: marginal gains (the BS British version of "faster tires") has given way to maximum gains. At this point they should give Lance Armstrong his 7 jerseys back and maybe we can all just accept cycling for what it always was and what it will always be. I still love it, but from a distance. I don't want to be involved."

At this point I wonder if anyone cares whether the UCI acknowledges LAs wins or any of their other decisions on dopers anyway.

 

[Rob5091]

Breaking news! Close the thread! It's all crank arm lengths ...
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...france/tadej-pogacar-crank-arm-length-choose/

 

[Monoxidator]

The time trial is hilarious ... TP's not even sweating and smiling and JV is grimacing like he's dying. TP is up by 30 seconds on the climb.

 

[magliaroz]

He can wave to the crowd in the last km and still win it

 

[ashhutch1997]

This guy literally hasn't had one bad day since the Col de la Loze last year.

 

[Monoxidator]

He can wave to the crowd in the last km and still win it

Or crash in a hairpin and walk the rest of the way and still win lol

 

[burning]

Is this performance more insane than what Jonas did last year? It probably is

 

[ashhutch1997]

Is this performance more insane than what Jonas did last year? It probably is

No, there's a smaller time difference between them and this is 10k longer.

 

[Monoxidator]

Does he make the catch?

 

[glassmoon]

guy should win WCH and Vuelta (by 7+ mins) this year just for the lols... ridiculous

 

[burning]

No it's not even a minute between them yet and this is 10k longer.

The time gaps are less on a longer course, but he is on a different level compared to an already insane level of Jonas

 

[Monoxidator]

The Piglet (Phil Leggett) saying "Landa gets better and better the older he gets" LOL

 

[Saint Unix]

Needed to win by twice as much to equal last year's winning margin, but falls embarrassingly short. What a flop.

 

[GuntherL1]

I've learned a lot the past two months, namely that it's perfectly normal for a guy to win 12 stages in Giro and TdF as a non-sprinter.
All this without a single weak moment in 6 weeks of cycling.
Nobody in the mainstream asks questions.